Joe Louis in his last fight vs.....

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by GOAT Primo Carnera, Oct 19, 2019.



  1. GOAT Primo Carnera

    GOAT Primo Carnera Member of the PC Fan Club Full Member

    2,665
    2,657
    Jan 28, 2018
    This is Louis´ last hurrah in color:

    This content is protected


    Often mentioned as the modern HW, beeing a good 10lb over his usual fighting weight.

    What if that Louis meets these guys a little before their prime

    Floyd Patterson 1958
    Cassius Clay 1964
    Joe Frazier 1968
    Larry Holmes 1978
    Douglas or Tucker 1987
    Evander Holyfield 1989
    Chris Byrd 1999

    as he did Rocky?
     
  2. KeedCubano

    KeedCubano Read my posts in a Jamaican accent Full Member

    961
    1,106
    Jul 21, 2019
    He loses all of them badly, is stopped by all expect Byrd and maybe Tucker, Patterson is far too nice and might possibly carry him.

    Seeing an old ATG like Louis vs a close to prime versions of Frazier, Ali, Holmes or Holyfield is not what I'd want to see
     
    Pat M, Grapefruit and Tonto62 like this.
  3. GOAT Primo Carnera

    GOAT Primo Carnera Member of the PC Fan Club Full Member

    2,665
    2,657
    Jan 28, 2018
    Ehm you´d recognize that

    a) these ATGs weren´t prime too (like Rocco)
    b) Joe Louis is the reference gold standard of the modern 215lb HW Rocky beat
    c) ATG Rocky Marciano himself gets evaluated H2H-wise for beating that modern HW, in process beating Foremans, Holmes and Lewis @ fantasy matchups?

    So youre saying these ATGs do better than Rocky?? Rocky rumbled 8 rounds with the man.
     
    Pat M and KeedCubano like this.
  4. The Undefeated Lachbuster

    The Undefeated Lachbuster I check this every now and then Full Member

    4,513
    7,028
    Jul 18, 2018
    None of them do better than Rocky except arguably Holmes, but they all beat him, most of them brutally.

    Honestly Louis would have a shot against Byrd and Douglas in a 12 rounder
     
  5. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker Full Member

    24,221
    7,558
    Jul 15, 2008
    He is not beating any of them but could go the distance with a few ..
     
  6. GOAT Primo Carnera

    GOAT Primo Carnera Member of the PC Fan Club Full Member

    2,665
    2,657
    Jan 28, 2018
    You don´t see Frazier, Holyfield or Clay stopping him earlier than 8/10?
     
    KeedCubano likes this.
  7. HOUDINI

    HOUDINI Boxing Addict Full Member

    5,377
    1,454
    Aug 18, 2012
    Louis by this time in his career had lost all timing and speed with his right hand which was his bread and butter punch. He still had a good jab and hook albeit a slower version of his arsenal from his prime.
     
  8. The Undefeated Lachbuster

    The Undefeated Lachbuster I check this every now and then Full Member

    4,513
    7,028
    Jul 18, 2018
    Hell no. Especially Holyfield and Ali, who don't hit nearly as hard as Marciano. In fact id say their wins would be more comparable to the Charles fight. Perhaps Ali gets a late stoppage over 15.

    Green Frazier probably stops him rounds 11-13. Old Louis was better than Mathis to say the least
     
  9. GOAT Primo Carnera

    GOAT Primo Carnera Member of the PC Fan Club Full Member

    2,665
    2,657
    Jan 28, 2018
    In 07/1967 "green" Joe Frazier stopped Chuvalo in 4, as he did Ellis in 1970! Young fresh Quarry in 7.
    Did you take your RBV meds??
     
  10. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

    69,970
    23,858
    Feb 15, 2006
    He probably loses by a wide decision.
    Stoppage loss, that is hard to watch.
    As above.
    He has a chance there!
    Probably a heartbreaking beat down, as happened against Marciano.
    Decision win for Byrd.
     
  11. KeedCubano

    KeedCubano Read my posts in a Jamaican accent Full Member

    961
    1,106
    Jul 21, 2019
    I'd say Holyfield was around that level, he definitely has a better KD/KO résumé. Although that's probably an unpopular opinion.

    He'd do a serious number on Louis with his counters tho.
     
  12. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

    15,903
    7,581
    Mar 17, 2010
    It took Holmes 10 rounds to stop Parkinsons Ali in a merciless performance.

    So therefor they all KO him in 7.
    1 round better than that bum Marciano.
     
  13. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

    53,663
    32,403
    Feb 11, 2005
    I honestly believe he loses to each and every one of these fighters, mostly by KO. He was a shell of a shell of his former greatness. He would not have been fighting if it weren't for Uncle Scam on his back. He didn't want to be there. He wasn't fit and able. He had lost his best attributes.
     
    KeedCubano likes this.
  14. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

    55,255
    10,264
    Jun 29, 2007
    Looking back its sad Louis had tax issues, and returned to the ring to pay it. The guy did so much for so country.

    I would say the 38 year old Louis was better than the 38 year old Ali.
     
    KeedCubano and Stevie G like this.
  15. Stevie G

    Stevie G Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    24,147
    6,349
    Jul 17, 2009
    I agree,Mendoza. Muhammad was already in the early throes of Parkinsons at 38 while Louis was still pretty healthy as far as I know.