Can Somebody Please Explain why Spence is pfp top 10, and Crawford is top 3?

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  1. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Before Campbell I would've agreed. But now there résumés are similar but Loma is doing it at a weight that is big for him, Usyk could change all of that with a win over a fringe top 10 HW, and definitely with a top level HW.
     
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    He will. Hes one of thee best talents of all time Usyk, hes already mentioned as the best cruiser ever, even against a cruiser Holy, if it gets tough his legs circle Evan Fields for a shut out IF its hard h2h. At cruiser, Usyk is the King, even Breidis COULD beat Holy at Cruiser, this is or was the best division in Boxing for a while
     
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    Thank you. Breidis I think stops Hunter, or is a clear winner anyways. Breidis is every mans Bogeyman, I think @Liquorice is a man that sees him for what he is too, such a well balanced fighter, just hasn't got that backing like a brit or yank, but you watch him against Usyk, he wasn't close to becoming a whipping boy by the p4p no1 and greatest cruiser ever. Exceptionally talented fighter
     
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    Ph33rknot Live as if you were to die tomorrow Full Member

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    Inoue has done more and desservs top spot Loma just took 2nd and Usyk fell to third for me followed by Estrada
     
  5. Illstate

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    Because people just make this **** up, and it doesn't mean anything at all.
    That's how the number 1 p4p is 14-1.
     
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    Crawford just dominates everyone he fights and he’s done it through 3 divisions, very few fighters throughout history have achieved that. His resume is on par with guys you have in your top 3, and he’s been nowhere close to a loss, or been knocked on his ass. Looks less beatable than any of those fighters.

    Only Canelo who is clearly p4p#1 definitely deserves to be above him.
     
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    That Makabu win was good enough in my eyes. That guy is a killer not to be ****ed with.
     
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    Crawford is "too good for his own good". You see it in really talented fighters like Floyd or Roy. It's not their fault there's nobody on their level.
     
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    Is it?

    Does Postol, Horn, Gamboa, Khan, Indongo and Burns, match up with
    Campbell, Linares, Pedraza, Walters, Russel, Rigo and Sosa?
    Or Hernandez, McDonnell, Rodriguez, and Payano?
    Or Briedis, Gassiev, Hunter, Huck, Bellew and Glowacki?

    Not in my opinion, although becoming undisputed and being a 3 weight champion is definitely impressive. And your point about him never being close to losing is excellent, he has been very dominant.
     
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    It's his fault he hasn't fought anyone
     
  11. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    You know who none of those resumes match up with?

    Canelo.

    Deal with it. [insert smiley face with pixelated sunglasses dropping down]
     
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    Spence>Beterbiev. That being said, people put Spence in the top 10, for the same reason you put Beterbiev. Only 15 fights all knockouts(Wilder did the same thing) no real big guys. His last opponent was not better than Porter or Brook. People try to sweep the Brook fight under the rug, but that was a solid win.
     
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    Usyk > Canelo

    Deal with it.
     
  14. George Crowcroft

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    Spence has good wins, but the way that Beterbeiv has broken down Smith and now Gvozdyk is scary.
    Gvozdyk was clearly number 1 in the division imo and was definitely better than Brook and Porter imo.

    You say the Brook fight gets swept under the rug, that's because (imo obviously) Brook was somewhat drained, tho not Spence's fault, and coming off a devastating loss at a weight he didn't belong at. It's a good win, but not on the level of a fired up prime Gvozdyk imo.

    But thanks for the breakdown, that's the first real one I've got so far.
     
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    Crawford has the weakest resume out of what is listed. He has Postol, and the only reason that is a solid win is because Postol made a mentally broken Matthysse quit. Gamboa, had eaten himself out of the lower weights, and had done nothing of note at 135 for that to even give Crawford's resume any weight. Burns was a Euro level guy, and Khan, and Indongo were absolute trash. Crawford's resume is weak as ****.

    Lomachenko has Russell Jr. That is the best single win out of any of the guys listed. After that, he has Linares, whose best wins are against Euro level guys like Crolla and Campbell. Walters had done nothing but sit on the shelf for a year after having a draw with Sosa. Not much of an accomplishment at 130 pounds. Rigondeaux, had done nothing at 130 pounds either, and moved up two weight classes. Sosa was fairly mediocre. Outside of Russell Jr., Lomachenko's resume is fairly soft as well.

    Inoue, has Narvaez which was a good win at the time. McDonnell, Rodriguez, and Payano were all solid wins.

    Usyk, has Breidis, and also Hunter, which are good wins, Huck, Gassiev, and Glowacki are solid wins. Usyk probably has the most solid resume out of the four listed.