Why did Canelo win? Poll.

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Why did Canelo win?

  1. Fixed fight.

    29 vote(s)
    21.0%
  2. Kovalev garbage. Old, no chin, no stamina, no power.

    39 vote(s)
    28.3%
  3. Kovalev wrong game plan. No hard punches. All jabbing.

    22 vote(s)
    15.9%
  4. Canelo steroids.

    17 vote(s)
    12.3%
  5. Canelo skills.

    31 vote(s)
    22.5%
  1. lucky luke

    lucky luke Well-Known Member Full Member

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    It's an anabolic agent according to WADA. So I get it is classed as a steroid.
     
  2. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    I Choose Kovalev garbage. Old, no chin, no stamina, no power. So what does the say about Canelo, that it took him so long to bet him?
     
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  3. elbonzoseco

    elbonzoseco Member Full Member

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    No, he stopped the Vada program in the summer and reentered Vada testing after the fight was announced, which was very late. So the usual 8 weeks of testing were no longer possible. When he was caught, he had to do 11 weeks of testing. These are the facts.
     
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  4. elbonzoseco

    elbonzoseco Member Full Member

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    On resume maybe, but at least Beterbiev surpassed him by beating Gvozdyk. Also this was a diminished Kovalev even for 2019, the short camp and taking more punches than ever before against Yarde certainly did not help. The crisis he had to overcome in the Yarde fight was arguably bigger, but he was fully rested and prepared then. Of course that is all on him, the money was just too good to pass up.
    So yes, Kovalev is not exactly shot in 2019 when fully prepared, but that's not the version Canelo fought. Canelo took a very carefully orchestrated risk by fighting that Kovalev, he should have been down on the cards but that was the extra Vegas insurance policy (plus the rehydration clause, which was BS).
    Canelos performance was still a very good one (I wouldn't call it a master class, he basically fought the same fight against Khan, but got to him earlier), but wouldn't it be nice, if this was january and the cards would have Kova up by 2 points? No excuses or in this case explanations would be necessary.
    You could say, that there will always be circumstances favoring one fighter or the other, but it's just too common with Canelo.
     
  5. bandeedo

    bandeedo VIP Member Full Member

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    this is where a persons individual understanding of fighting, and what everything means, comes into play.to many like myself the differences in problems that a single shot ko puncher, 2 divisions north of you, who happens to be the top fighter at that weight in the last few years presents, compared to a glass jawed highlight reel coming from 2 divisions south of you. the mere fact he made them both look the same to you, is an astonishing accomplishment. to you, and others like you, reality might look different.
     
  6. elbonzoseco

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    That tells you something of the current level of Kovalev on that night ;) His power is long gone, his jab didn't even really move Canelos gloves. He was conserving energy from round 1. I never said, they looked the same to me, Canelos gameplan was similar.
     
  7. Angler Andrew

    Angler Andrew Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    It doesn’t but I ain’t buying it as you can see injection sites on his body.Doesnt negate how good he is imo.
     
  8. bandeedo

    bandeedo VIP Member Full Member

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    then you must have picked canelo by ko, and would pick him over yarde in an easier ko, seeing as kovalev has been so washed up. unless you believe it was the perfect ammount of accelerated deterioration from yarde to now, for kovalev to look the same but get knocked out anyway.
     
  9. bandeedo

    bandeedo VIP Member Full Member

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    what injection sites? did you see them, or did you read about someone seeing them?
     
  10. elbonzoseco

    elbonzoseco Member Full Member

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    Actually his conditioning was a big part of the problem. As I said before, the Kovalev in the Yarde fight was well rested and had a full camp. At his age and with his conditioning outside the ring, rest is of major importance.
    I said when the fight was announced, the date was a joke. There was no way, we would even get the Yarde Kovalev on November 2nd. That's what I mean when I say, the risk was carefully orchestrated. Kovalev did look similar for a couple of rounds, but got tired much sooner, without getting hit as much.
    Yarde would pose different problems to Canelo, I think that much is clear. Could be an interesting fight.
     
  11. Mr Icaman

    Mr Icaman 32-0 WBC Champ, Ring + Lineal HW Champ Full Member

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  12. Baldarse

    Baldarse New Member Full Member

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    Canelo stopped VADA 365 the moment it wasn't a requirement
     
  13. bandeedo

    bandeedo VIP Member Full Member

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    i believe you also have trouble understanding what getting in condition for a 12 fight takes. kovalev was not asked to do anything remarkable, uncommon or unusual. he prepared himself adequately, looked just as fast, had just as much gas, and just came up against a more skilled fighter, who it turns out, had the power to hurt him badly.
     
  14. roughdiamond

    roughdiamond Ridin' the rails... Full Member

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    Kov old, Steroids and Canelo skills. All in one.

    No way *this* right hand was fixed. Though the fight was obviously an opportunistic one for Canelo.

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  15. elbonzoseco

    elbonzoseco Member Full Member

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    Sport science is not on your side in this argument, it is possible to peak (best possible performance, of course other sports rather require an athlete to maintain a certain level, but that's not a peak) up to 4 times per year. With enough rest and time to build up again in between, I have a background in that field. Buddy Mcgirt himself said, they had to decrease the volume and intensity in order to maintain his level. But that's not how you reach your peak performance. Further, he did not only peak to early (for the Yarde fight) he was also beaten up in the process (most ever punches landed on him + seriously hurt in round 8). As Ward said, he was a punch away from retirement.
    You can choose to ignore the circumstances, but it won't let you see the full picture.