For the record with the last post, I agree with rating Ward above Golovkin for what I feel are greater wins. I have only watched it live and been advised to rewatch it but I thought Jacobs deserved the win against Golovkin.
I feel you we aren't always going to agree and that's fine. But I will stand by my assessment of Ward's career. He was wasn't the favorite going into the Super 6 that was Kessler and Abraham who were co-favorites the Super 6 was basically set up for them to showcase their talents to the American audience so that they could become big draws here. Ward was the underdog against Kessler and was expected to get schooled. That was a great win. Bute was really a hype job as soon as he stepped up he was undressed in grand fashion by Froch. Sure you could say that Ward should have fought him but you can't fight everyone and Ward had already proven his worth in the Super 6, which is more than Bute ever did.
Roman Gonzalez Andre Ward Wladimir Klitschko Nonito Donaire Canelo Alvarez Shane Mosley Miguel Cotto Sergio Martinez Gennady Golovkin Carl Froch Sergio, Golovkin, and Froch a tier below the others. I'll be honest that I struggled in this a little bit. Part of me thinks I have Wlad too high, Mosley too low, etc.
There's things I would point out on this post but it is another discussion for another thread. We can agree to disagree. For the record - I could definitely change my mind with some of these and wouldn't argue some of them. Here goes - Wladimir Klitschko Miguel Cotto Shane Mosley Canelo Alvarez Roman Gonzalez Andre Ward Sergio Martinez Nonito Donaire Froch/Golovkin Could easily change the order
1. Ward 2. Wlad 3. Canelo 4. Froch 5. Mosley 6. Donaire 7. Gonzalez 8. Golovkin 9. Cotto 10. Martinez
Ward career is not what you are making it to be. Kessler was decent, but not great. Abraham was older and punched well. Dawson older and wasn't that at 168 and not 175w here he was best? Kovalev? Good fighter but not great. HBO built him up didn't they? Where are the great great wins? GGG did not have many but he stopped guys and he did clean out whatever was at middleweight. Not a legendary list but he was dominant. I think you are overrated Ward. His career is unfinished. Something is missing for him to be top 40 or 50 even, and someone mentioned him being top 10.. Impossible.
And Mosley is being underrated here. He could be at the top. I rate him over Ward. Absolutely. He fought great fighters. Beat Oscar. Margarito. Fought them all.
Wladimir Klitschko Shane Mosley Gennady Golovkin Andre Ward Roman Gonzalez Canelo Alvarez Miguel Cotto Nonito Donaire Carl Froch Sergio Martinez *If any of the above have tested positive for steroids, they are automatically out of the running. In a sport where peoples lives are on the line, cheats should be banned for life.
You still haven't answered who ggg beat that is better than Kessler froch kovalev or dawson. Ggg never dared to be great he was more about money than he lead his fans to believe. He made a career out of chasing canelo and losing and drawing to him. No one can sit here with a straight face and say jacobs and chenko are better wins than who ward beat. Like i said earlier who did ggg beat of note in his so called streak? How highly were these fighters rated? You don't like ward and that's fine but only a fool would argue that ggg > ward his resume and accomplishments dont back that claim and it's really that simple. Ward retirrd on top with a great resume it isnt lacking ggg on the other hand well that's another story.
Again explain to me how a guy like ggg whose best win is danny Jacobs is greater than ward??? It's not possible.
People have opinions. Ward does not have a complete record. He retired too early. His career will never be like the careers of Leonard or Hearns who fought the best in many divisions.
Yet ggg does his best win is jacobs a guy he was expected to destroy and he was ran close and was not highly rated going into the fight. Even in lesser fights ward's resume dwarfs gggs. Which right there tells you everything you need to know. There is no rational argument that can be made for ggg being the greater fighter other than irrational love for ggg and hate for ward his resume doesnt back your argument.
Do you think Ward has a Leonard or Hearns type of legacy? I do not. I think that is what I mean by a guy of his caliber who is unfinished.
