Who is greater at this point? Oscar DeLaHoya's career or Canelo's career now after Kovalev

DLH had controversial wins vs Quartey and Whitaker as well. He also literally ran the last several rounds and offered nothing boxistically against Felix Trinidad which ended up costing him the fight. DLH handed that fight by default to Tito by turning the ring into a track instead of using it for what it was meant for, to box.

 

You've got to be kidding! DLH certainly cherry picked, stalled, and avoided fights.

Never was eager to get back in the ring with Trinidad, particularly when Trinidad moved up to 154 lbs and was a Holy terror putting on a power punching display and looking much better than he had at 147 lbs having to drain himself to make weight.
DLH always blamed Trinidad for asking for to much money for a rematch.

Hopkins beats Trinidad and DLH bides his time and waits 3 years for Hopkins to turn 40 before he makes that fight.
Then when Trinidad got dominated by Wright, Wright calls out DLH and DLH's excuse for not fighting Winky was, "nobody knows Wright!"
Nobody knows Wright my ass, Winky would have punished him just like Hopkins did and DLH knew it. Hell even Felix Sturm punished DLH but he got a gift because it was supposed to be a showcase fight for the Hopkins fight.

There are plenty of fighters that DLH avoided or stalled to face until they were faded.
One Fernando Vargas comes to mind. DLH always swore he wouldn't give Vargas the opportunity to face him because he was a dick, but as soon as it was secure in his mind that Vargas was shot and a shell of himself, that's when he takes that fight.
The list goes on on the way DLH chose his opposition...….

…….and don't let me get started in disecting the way Leonard avoided fights and rematches the publc clamored for.

 

That's it?

 

At this point, Oscar. Canelo has time on his side though.

 

1. I already stated I'm not even an Oscar fan so I'm extremely reticent to defend him, but I'm objective.
2. I said he avoided Winky so I don't know why'd you even bring him up. In fact, he avoided Winky far before the Tito fight, that's known.
3. You said he cherry picked Bernard, that's laughable, how do you cherry pick the man that was ranked #1 or 2 P4P at the time?
4. You bring up Sturm, I already stated he (Oscar) looked like **** at MW.
5. You complain about him "not wanting" Tito again. Again, they fought, and relatively quickly. Only a couple years after Oscar moved up to WW. You're criticizing someone for not fighting someone, who's already on their resume? HUH?

I'm not even responding to anything else. His resume speaks for itself, it's packed.

 

De La Hoya still has more accolades and has fought higher caliber opposition.

I doubt doubt Canelo can surpass him though.

 

Winky was never in the picture until DLH moved up to 154 lbs, but even then there wasn't really any real call for DLH to face Winky until Winky beat both Mosley and Trinidad back to back in 2004 and 2005.
Winky having beaten those, there was DLH's chance to really add to his legacy by beating a fighter who'd beaten the fighters who had beaten him. DLH wasn't interested, we know why.
Bernard wasn't a cherry pick, but in the eyes of DLH and everyone else, Hopkins was 40, 3 years removed from beating Trinidad, and people were of the thinking Hopkins was ripe for the taking.

What are you talking about, DLH never rematched Trinidad. It was in DLH's best interest for his legacy to see to it he fought Trinidad again, but he never made a real effort to make that fight happen again. The reason why is Trinidad looked like a monster when he moved to 154 lbs and then up to 160 lbs.
The Trinidad rematch could have still been made again after both had lost to Hopkins, but by that time the only weight Trinidad could have made was Middleweight and for as lackluster as DLH looked at that weight there was no way DLH would agree to fight Trinidad anywhere above 154 lbs.
For his legacy, DLH needed the Trinidad rematch but he never made a real effort to make that fight again. Simply stated, DLH avoided the Trinidad rematch.

 

DLH offered Winky a career payday high of 6 mil.

Winky declined

 

+ Felix Sturm

 

We're to far removed from those happenings to really get into the specifics of what went on. Who knows where Bob Arum or DLH really offered WInky what they said they did. If those words came from Bob Arum, I rest my case.
I know all to well the nonsense Bob Arum spews to make himself and his fighters look like they're making a fair offer when in reality to the fighter himself the contract shown to them is showcased so that it will be rejected. Bob Arum pulled the same stunt on Juan Manuel Marquez when Marquez was offered the Pacquiao rematch right after the first fight. They made an offer and worded the contract so that team Marquez would reject it and Arum would offer Pacquiao to his cash cow at 126 lbs Erik Morales.

Like I said, no need to get deep into what really happened, but if Bob Arum was involved then we all know he rarely speaks the truth.

"I was lying yesterday, today I'm telling the truth." Bob Arum

 

DLH

 

Sure would like a link to a direct quote from Wright on that issue, as well as know when the offer was made.

 

There was minor talk about Oscar attempting to unify with Winky after he beat Vargas. Arum torpedoed that because Winky had no name. And again, what are you attempting to even convince me of? I already stated Oscar sidestepped Winky. I also personally believe Winky would've beaten Oscar, so again what is your point with this one?

You're making no sense whatsoever, when on Earth did I ever say that? I said "They fought", as in they fought. I said nothing about they re-matched. Don't put words into my mouth. In fact what I specifically stated was:

Please point to where I said they rematched.

Also, not rematching Trinidad affecting his legacy is very subjective because, we can actually look back with his career being over and see the fact that, it did not, in fact, affect his legacy. 20 years later, no one cares...............except you.

Just stop. The presupposition that the number 1 fighter in the world was ripe for the taking is laughable at best. This deserves no further attention from me.

Nothing you say changes the fact that Oscar's resume was overall phenomenal, especially considering his number of fights. Even someone that's not inherently a fan of his (me) can argue this point.