It was one of Floyds easiest fights not as bad as the Marquez one but not far from it even journeymen like Augustus and Corley did better than the overrated cheating ginger.
Pretty much this. When Canelo was a B side and didnt not have his usual advantages he got clowned. Looked very basic as well.
And what about the rest of the fight? Oscar made life very difficult for Floyd by not allowing him time and space. That was a very close fight until Oscar faded and Floyd took over at the end. Yes, I know that version of Floyd wasn't prime. And I also know that Floyd was the superior fighter. But this thread is asking if Canelo was too green when he fought Floyd back in 2013. And in my opinion, he showed him too much respect. And if today's version fought any version of Floyd, I don't think Canelo would wait on him as much. I see you've mentioned Floyd's superior reach. Yet when I mentioned it on a previous thread a few months ago, you tried to argue that it wasn't relevant.
Canelo called Floyd out at 150 years prior Canelo won 0 rounds in any objective card, certainly nowhere near 9-3, 8-4 or even the most ridiculous 6-6 LOL. Floyd kicked the snot out of him. Canelo must have soiled his pants that fight, he was so afraid of Floyd's counters. Floyd beat him up so bad Canelo looked so dejected after the fight!
Different development paths. Current Canelo is significantly more formidable than 22 year old Canelo. Current Canelo wouldn't lose to that Floyd.
100 frickin posts later, and people are still struggling to understand this. the world is full of idiots and liars.
What's so passionate about pointing out what happened in a boxing match and dispelling myths about what other people claim happened? There's a difference between "winning comfortably" and shutting someone out. This is about as bad as GGG fans claiming he won the first fight with Canelo "clearly". By now you must see a trend here, in Canelo's biggest fights there's constantly attempts on here to act like he didn't do as well as he actually did. I don't have any problem with you saying Floyd won that comfortably, but how comfortable was it really? If it was so comfortable why did Floyd Sr give him the whole bopp bopp bing speech between rounds? If it was such a schooling or a supposed masterclass why did his own father need to tell his son what adjustments to make? None of what's being said about this bout equates to what actually happened. When you compare that to Mayweather vs DLH, Floyd wasn't as experienced back then, he still fought well vs DLH but he was more focused and dialed in vs Canelo. Floyd was also hungrier vs DLH than he was vs Canelo. VS DLH he was the B-side vs Canelo he was the A-side and was able to give himself advantages vs Canelo to make himself more comfortable and confident. If you're going to talk about Floyd being on the ropes vs Canelo you need to study round 10. Canelo was landing shots while Floyd was on the ropes towards the end of that round, and Floyd really wasn't on the ropes too much besides in that round. Canelo did far better while on the ropes than Floyd did, specifically look earlier in the 10th round when Canelo was on the ropes he was blocking and slipping near all of Floyd's shots. So much so that Floyd actually backed off and then later in the round tried to one-up Canelo by going to ropes himself only he was actually getting hit. If you study their round 10 it's as clear as day that Canelo fought better off the ropes than Floyd did. Please review that round and you can't miss this happening. Floyd was actually praised in this match for standing toe to toe with Canelo for most of the bout. He didn't fight off the ropes off often aside from that round 10 when he got hit with like a 6 punch combo. I'm guessing you're going from memory but if you review the footage you will realize that what you said happen about Floyd going back to the ropes didn't really happen. What did happen and maybe what you're alluding to is in the times where Floyd did backpedal, Canelo didn't pull the trigger enough like maybe he could have, and that Canelo didn't corner Floyd as well as he could have and let Floyd dance away instead of trapping him on the ropes more times. This was indeed one of the reasons why Floyd won, Canelo was just too patient, but again he was in their with Mayweather so there's a reason why he didn't just go balls to the wall. And I think there's also similarities to the Kovalev bout in this regard. Canelo was being too patient vs Kovalev and many had Kovalev winning. If there's one criticism of Canelo is that he is sometimes too patient and doesn't throw enough, and loses rounds as a result. That's a fair criticism of him, but it's still generally a smart strategy especially when you are a good counter puncher.
Food for thought. If Jarron Ennis was a 22 year old, big money, 154 pounder, Floyd would have never took that fight. He took the Canelo fight because he knew Canelo was flat footed, not skilled enough, and wasn't seasoned enough.
I don't think Oscar made it difficult especially not against the ropes. PBF who loved to fight with his back against the ropes because he was comfortable there where he could counter and defend well in his prime, Oscar's pressure and aggression there was ineffective he really landed nothing of note, most of his work was either blocked rolled or he missed. He didn't do anything but use up valuable energy which was part of PBF's game plan. Canelo like Oscar both have suspect stamina, Canelo opening up and trying to be more active against PBF is a recipe for disaster because of his stamina issues, a guy with suspect stamina would not be in the fight in the mid to late rounds with PBF, because unlike most fighters PBF retains his speed and power through a full 12 he doesn't fade. The only punch that was effective for Oscar really was the jab until PBF took it away by countering it and using movement. PBF landed the cleaner and harder punches made Oscar weary of opening up in the middle of the ring and Oscar faded down the stretch on cue. What is this about reach that you're talking about? I'm not saying you're lying but I don't remember the debate we had about it.
It was close for a couple of rounds. 2nd half of the fight Floyd pretty much dominated. Oscar abandoned his jab, and after about 5 rounds it was clear Floyd was winning fairly easily. Personally I thought the judge that had Oscar winning was one of the most ridiculous scorecards I've ever seen. It was a clear Floyd "comfortable" win I thought. That's interesting that you say the Oscar bout was close and that he won the Canelo bout comfortably. it really doesn't make much sense when you consider that DLH was 34 years old by that time with a bunch of losses, 3 years after he was stopped by Hopkins who isn't even known was a big puncher. On the other hand Canelo was a young 23 year old undefeated Lion. FMJ at 36 years old himself obviously and logically had a much tougher time with a hungry 23 year old Lion Canelo than he did with a 34 year old faded DLH. Both fights he arguably won comfortably as you say but for totally different reasons.
PBF was old man he wasn't prime. Canelo pushed for the fight and he took it. PBF is a bad styles match up for Canelo he would always see something in him he could exploit.
Some of this is spot on other of it not so much. Agree that Oscar wasnt effective when he got Floyd on the ropes. He tried though, I remember in the 11th he loaded up on a shot with Floyd on the ropes but Floyd slipped it. Early on he was using the jab a lot but was gunshy about setting up Floyd for the right hand, then after about the 5th round he abandoned the jab and started getting desperate trying to land a big shot whilst giving away rounds with that strategy. So I agree with you about Oscar's pressure and aggression being ineffective and him landing nothing of note. Canelo landed much better shots on Floyd than Oscar ever did I think you'd agree, even though you somehow have that as a 12-0 shutout which I can't work out since you're generally spot on, I'm guessing it's just because you're really biased when it comes to Floyd which is OK. As far as Canelo having suspect stamina this is another one of the bigger myths going around here in regards to Canelo. Canelo has some of the best stamina in the sport, but what he does do is conserve his energy and at times doesn't throw a lot of punches. That's a strategy to conserve his stamina so he still can throw big shots in the late rounds. Just because he paces himself and waits for openings, that doesn't translate to having suspect stamina. He proved that he has plenty of stamina in how he fought GGG Mexican Style in their rematch. So you are interpreting his pacing himself and conserving his energy as having suspect stamina, and if you look at the amount of times he's gone 12 rounds and was still loading up on shots in the late rounds in many of those battles, it only suggest that he has great stamina. And vs FMJ I think you're totally missing an obvious reason why he was being patient there and not going balls to the wall. Sure it was to conserve energy and stamina but also to try to time Floyd and wait for openings to present themselves. When those openings didn't present themselves he had to force it and there were times that Floyd took advantage, but it also made Floyd fight in a way he isn't used to fighting as most fighters come right at him with a lot of aggression. That's also why Floyd bit on so many feints. Because he was expecting Canelo to come at him with big shots, the flinching was his anticipating of shots and him going into his counter punching routine. But it made him look bad because the shots never came and Canelo was playing mind games with him. You try to white wash all of that and claim that Canelo didn't win a single round. It's fantasy land. Any objective viewer can see Canelo won at least a couple of rounds, and Floyd edged out the decision after struggling early and again in Round 10. And yes he struggled a lot more vs Canelo than he did DLH. But he made the necessary adjustments in both matches.
He was so afraid of Floyd's counters? He was playing mind games with Floyd. He knew how well Floyd counters, that's why he gave Floyd all those feints, and Floyd bit every time. If he looked a little dejected, would you blame him? He lost for the first time. Why shouldn't he be a little dejected? Compare that to Floyd and the look on his face when the 114-114 was announced, Floyd looked more upset about the result than Canelo lmao.