Can a extremely strong powerlifter be a hard Puncher if he learned proper technique ?

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  1. fistsof steel

    fistsof steel Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think the real Great Hard Punchers are born with that Gift....same as Usain Bolt no one would have taught him to Run Freaks are Born end of story.!!!
     
  2. Boxcel

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    There are two types of fast twitch fibers in the human body. IIa, and IIx. IIx is what is used for extremely quick bursts of movements. IIa is used for lifting a heavy weight slowly. A study found in an elite jumper found a high % of IIx, while studies on weightlifting found that it converts IIx fibers to IIa. Olympic lifters had a high percentage of IIa but undetectable IIx. No studies on boxers unfortunately.
     
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  3. eltirado

    eltirado Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Power lifters are gifted genetically & work very hard to get to the pro level. Some dynamic power punchers like Mike Tyson or Ike Ibeabuchi are built for both worlds but its a long shot to make that transition in either direction, in average a KO artist is wired from his Central Nervous System to tense up on reflexes & reactions.

    Power lifters depend more on physical strength, if they are not heavy built they will not be effective.

    Not "anybody" can just become a power lifter, below the hardest punchers in boxing history will never make it as power lifters.

    • Panama Al
    • Sandy Saddler
    • Alexis Argüello
    • Diego Corrales
    • Felix Trinidad
    • Thomas Hearns
    • Bob Foster
    • Deontay Wilder
     
  4. Richmondpete

    Richmondpete Real fighters do road work Full Member

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    I disagree with this. I know a couple of former pro powrerlifters and they essentially got into it becausr they could no longer compete in other sports. It doesn't require anywhere near the level of talent and intangibles as do the more nuanced sports like boxing
     
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  5. eltirado

    eltirado Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The PED era converted most athletes including boxers to future Bodybuilders, they come in for the Enhancement & stay for the withdrawal

    If an athlete/boxer is already on PEDs, its not worth getting off them...The withdrawals from PEDs will drive them to drugs/alcohol...They are better off on PEDs power-lifting

    That said, it will be hard to convince a Powerlifter to box in the first place, an Excellent Power lifter is very protective of his Body.

    Soccer-Football-Rugby-Military are better recruiting farms for boxers
     
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  6. Richmondpete

    Richmondpete Real fighters do road work Full Member

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    If you are saying PEDs can make you successful in one sport after failing in another while on the same regimen that pretty much proves one requires more talent than the other.
     
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  7. Sammy123

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    I would disagree.

    Anybody can become a powerlifter (assuming they are in good heath to begin with). Anybody can become strong with dedicated training. I went from a 40lb squat at 18 to 585lb squat at 35 years old. I also went from 105lbs body weight to 220lbs body weight in the same time. Genetics can play a role, but it is not dependent on it. I don't powerlift anymore but I wasn't anybody special, and a 600+lb squat was within my range if I kept eating and training. Don't confuse powerlifters with strongmen (who are genetic freaks).

    In fact, it's widely acknowledged the average male should be able to deadlift 500lbs with sufficient training at some point in their life, even if they start training late in age. There are tons of average Joe's deadlifting 500lbs, yes its difficult and you won't be able to do it right away if you weigh 120lbs. The point is that it is a trainable, realistic goal for any average male in good health. And once you reach 500+, getting to 600lbs is just a matter of further training and diet and a mindset to get there. Genetics would not stop you from getting there.

    At no point in my life will I ever hit as hard as Mike Tyson no matter how hard I train. I can throw a perfect punch that starts from the heel and ends with my fist with all my body weight and might behind it, I'll never hit as hard as Tyson. That is where genetics come in.
     
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  8. eltirado

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    Strength* is subjective

    To a power lifter it means lifting more weight (raw muscular strength)
    To a boxer it more than likely means punching harder first & manhandling opponents second (compound strength)

    Not exactly related directly, the growing connection between Boxing & Bodybuilding is improving due to PEDs & obviously more boxers will go into bodybuilding (as its is easier to do at a later age)...Maybe Science will make it possible to even be better power-lifter at very old age (if someone wants to be doing that in his older years!)
     
  9. eltirado

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    In Boxing you definitely need more than just "talent"...you just have to favor the pros of any sport over any newcomers (of course exceptions exist)
     
  10. mirkofilipovic

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    You need to be genetically gifted to make it to the top in Powerlifting or weightlifting. There are so many bums in boxing, I find it hard to believe its anymore difficult than becoming a strength/power athlete.
     
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  11. mirkofilipovic

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    Olympic weightlifters should have both, since they require explosive movements when performing their routine.
     
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  12. mirkofilipovic

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    and I know Football players that are weak as hell that cant lift as much?
     
  13. BCS8

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    I'd say that being a powerlifter would give you heavy, thudding punches, albeit slow ones. Somebody mentioned to old version of Foreman, and that's what I think you'd get. I don't think a guy like that would ever be a "KO artist" because the opponent can generally prepare for the punches even if they can't avoid them. A genuine KO artist has explosive punching a la Hearns, Foster etc.
     
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  14. BCS8

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    I agree, I doubt Maradona ever lifted much :deal:
     
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  15. mirkofilipovic

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    Only thing he lifted was a can of beer, and the World cup :campeon:
     
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