I'm not siding with anybody, I posted to make a point to separate in the ring and out of the ring. Simple as that. I have never seen anyone posting that they condone what Monzon did and some alluding to well ya I'll judge him for that as it relates to boxing skill in the ring. It's ridiculous. I mean please explain to me how what Monzon did in '88 is corelated to what he did in the ring in '66 to win the FAB middleweight title from Jorge Fernandez. My point is cut and dry. Black and White. With ZERO grey area
OK .. the point for the ones who took the shot to produce this was to make it marketable to a large audience or else why bother ? The whole hook as to why Netflix would air a multipart doc on Monzon is precisely because of his ultimate all .. otherwise they'd never have done it .. too small an audience.
It is just like that crushed can Kovolov, their obsession with him is amazing, now that is tongue and cheek, The conspiracy theories may never end, Canelo was the better man that night. Carlos was a great fighter, who beat all the opponents put in front of him, he did the right thing, he retired with the belt, 14 title defenses.
It seems like a double standard, maybe Mike Tyson beat up his mother in law and wife, but he is considered a God in the ring. Carlos kills his wife in 1988, and all these haters come out. I will not say it because I do not want to be considered a trouble maker, but let's just say, what is going on, still exists, I experienced this when I was younger, different times. We are all people. I do not think it is right to murder or beat your wife, everybody deserves respect. Crushed crusher gets in trouble for assault, but he is adored. Monzon just happens to be Argentinian. I think his skills should be judged in the ring. We should not judge others, we all have our own shortcomings, everyone. He was a great champion.
I'm interested to see how the series plays out and how they draw the connections between his in-ring demeanour and his behaviour out of the ring. That's a big part of what makes this an interesting character study.
Hi Red, I get that there are double standards at play when it comes to fighters in and out of the ring and what moral standards people apply depending on whether they happen to like the fighter and his in-ring style. I think there's clearly some of that at play with Monzon because his style was not automatically as aesthetically pleasing as some other great fighters who also exhibited morally dubious behaviour (I'm talking about beating up women here), so he tends not to get a pass, like Sugar Ray Robinson would, for example. But personally I find it interesting in Monzon's case because it could be argued that precisely what made him such a great fighter may have also been a contributing factor to his out of the ring behaviour, which of course culminated in murder. I don't personally know. But I think that's where a lot of the drama lies for a character study like this and I don't think the series would have been made without it, that's for sure. So, as I say, I'm interested to see how the series plays out and how they draw out the character of Monzon. It's good drama is all.
Admittedly, Monzon was indeed a case study. A beast outside the ring, and an unnaturally composed and cold demeanor in the ring. For the record, I too am totally against murder...I don't recommend it at all (a little sarcasm there @ETM) ...he was a great, great fighter,...and I am only very glad that he had an outlet in the ring...a sport like boxing to channel his aggressions...otherwise there would be many more victims...maybe Monzon included.
Just watched episode 1 lastnite. Pretty good. I'll be watching 1 a day until completed. I like the real in ring highlights they showed plus some real training clips. PS @red cobra LaMotta was a admitted ******. Was convinced he killed a man for a number of yrs and was pimping a young girl and is for the most part loved here. Hmmmmm. And BTW his old pal Graziano beats him in a street fight every day of the week lol
Not sure how much "love" Lamotta is showed here; maybe respect for his in-ring exploits, which is exactly what Monzon is given. I don't know of anyone here personally that says about either fighter, "I discount his fistic greatness because he was a horrible human being." Likewise I don't see anyone showing any great admiration for either as a person.
Oh come on!! He's accorded mucho mas respect and veneration by posters here, compared to Monzon. Maybe indeed (I hope so anyway) they're disgusted with his criminal actions, but they sure have a funny way of showing that disgust...and the fan boy adulation of the movie Raging Bull with that ******* DeNiro giving it such "flava", goes a long way too with some (I know not all) denizens here.
Well, like who...……..? When was the last time you saw a thread here celebrating the guy (other than his fighting ability, I mean)? Even then, he tends to be underplayed a bit really, he was quite good. terrible excuse for a living, breathing organism, but he could fight.
