Ruiz V Joshua 2

Discussion in 'British Boxing Forum' started by Heisenberg, Nov 30, 2019.



Who ya got?

  1. Ruiz by KO

    40.8%
  2. Ruiz on PTS

    0.8%
  3. The Draw

    0.8%
  4. Joshua by KO

    35.2%
  5. Joshua on PTS

    22.4%
  1. TonyHayers

    TonyHayers Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    Joshua was winning by miles. He didn’t need to do anything other than what he was doing with half the fight to go in order to win.

    You come across like the sort who picked heavily against Joshua before the fight, and if Joshua had lost you’d have been on about how right you were. When that didn’t happen, (your predictions were laughably wrong) you’d take whatever happened and use it to discredit Joshua. Wins early - hug questions over his tank and stamina. Wins late - should have beat him earlier. Wins on points - question marks over his power.

    Joshua’s beaten everyone he’s faced and stopped all but two of them. This notion that he’s now showing weakness because he didn’t stop a guy you’d told everyone was going to beat him is laughable.
     
  2. TBC-ASAP

    TBC-ASAP Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Ruiz has basically disrespected the whole of boxing really. Total embarrassment

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    Said months back he seemed to be partying way to much. He categorically doesn't deserve a trilogy
     
  3. bbjc

    bbjc Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Will the saudi,s even make money on it. Was under the impression they,d be losing on it.
     
  4. Twentyman

    Twentyman You dog nonce! banned Full Member

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    He let himself down. He had the opportunity to show that he deserved to stay at the top table. He said all the right things and had me convinced he was giving it 100%. He’s let boxing fans down who were incredibly excited about that fight.
     
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  5. bbjc

    bbjc Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Think joshuas big problem comes from the matchroom hype. We,ve been told this guy is much better than the rest. We get told regularly how hes unbelievable etc.

    Then we see him getting knocked out from a grossly obese man....needing to get the win by running for dear life and ruiz being even fatter this time all the while listening to them going on about how majestic he is. The truth is joshuas just a pretty decent fighter. Hes no where near what they,ve tried to sell him as. Hes basically a better amir khan. Flawed with very incredible strengths. The only difference i see is joshuas a much better learner.

    The hypes actually making people turn on him. Because hes done himself proud last night. Worked hard and done everything hes had to. But the reality is hes struggled to get past a guy with little dedication massively out of shape....with a 74 inch reach. Andys a good fighter i rate him. But hes not exactly the win needed to claim joshuas a majestic fighter. The whole ruiz experience showed joshuas been massively overhyped. Hes still a good fighter tho tbf.
     
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  6. TBC-ASAP

    TBC-ASAP Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yeah absolutely ridiculous.

    Was in a bar full of casuals, and they were bored out their minds. AJ did the right thing but might make his next fight a slightly tougher sell. As for Ruiz, I am not really bothered
     
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  7. TonyHayers

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    Joshua’s been hyped just like Fury has been hyped and Wilder has been hyped. Everyone associated with them says they’re the best. Joshua’s just the most popular so you probably hear it more.

    Fury was tweeting about how he’d have the heart to beat Lennox Lewis when he was fighting the likes of Martin Rogan.
     
  8. TonyHayers

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    As soon as the weight was announced it was obvious what had happened. Ruiz isn’t fat on purpose or by intended design. He gets by on having the natural talent to get to the level he did but his shape is a joke. Not every fighter has to look like a bodybuilder but you shouldn’t look plainly obese.
     
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  9. bbjc

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    Dont agree mate. Joshuas had ridiculous amounts of hype from the olympics. Eddie hearns went too far with it tbh....think joshua himself is aware of it hence why he tried to shut eddie up last night when he was calling him the king etc.

    Wilder and fury didnt have anything like the amount of hype joshuas had. Thats what the problem is they actually look slightly better than him as well.
     
  10. TonyHayers

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    I disagree. You’re probably just exposed to more of Hearn banging the Joshua drum than anyone else. Frank tries with Fury but nobody listens to him.
     
  11. Wig

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    Whyteleafe was never that good any way
    Fury’s legs are shot
    Big Josh is the same no frills chinny robot he always was
     
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  12. bbjc

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    Yeah that is probably true mate. But they,ve used matchroom to hype him ridiculously. When the reality is to beat ruiz they had to change everything up....run from him....bring in new coaches ...put him in a big ring....all the while andy came in way overweight.

    Hes had to work incredibly hard to beat ruiz. Credit to him for it. But it kind shows his real level. Hes no better than the best in the division. Its a good position to be in....but its no where near the hype we,ve hsd to listen to.
     
  13. Jurgen

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    Fury has made his money and the last fight did look like his inactive period is prematurely taking the edge away from him in terms of speed, movement and skills although the eye could also be a reason.

    Whyte started off as a pudding and will end as a PED Pudding

    Anthony Fury-Klitschko is mediocre at best and will only fight puddings now the world knows he cannot even take a chance of being hit with a mediocre punch.

    Dubois, Joyce and Bakole coming soon to fly the flag and I can see any of those 3 taking out Anthony Fury-Klitschko
     
  14. TonyHayers

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    They’ve hyped him the way anyone hypes their fighters; the intention is to make money. The annoying thing for some is that it’s worked.

    Look for example at Tyson before the Lewis fight. He’d not beaten anyone of serious note for ages. Holyfield had beaten him twice. It was more than a decade after Douglas. Yet the build up was pure ‘baddest man on the planet’ stuff.

    Eddie Hearn isn’t ever going to say ‘he’s a decent prospect and who knows, maybe one day he’ll be able to challenge for domestic honours.’
     
  15. Gatekeeper

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    In hindsight......

    Ruiz talking about a trilogy in the build up should have a HUGE red flag, he had already beaten AJ convincingly and presumably he planned to do the same in the rematch so what would be the purpose of a trilogy ??

    And then the weigh in....
    Should have been another red flag, biggest fight of his life, first Mexican HW champ and yet he comes in a career heaviest and reveals after the fight he barely trained ?? WTF ??
    Seriously wondering if his mindset going in was he was going to enjoy the money from the first fight, relax, turn up for the rematch, give it a go and if he loses so what ?? Won the 1st fight so convincingly that there will still be enough doubt in people's mind that a trilogy (and it's payday) is the only way to know for sure who the better fighter is.

    AJ was very good last night but Ruiz and his 'preparation' was an embarrassment.
     
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