Andy Ruiz just anther case of a fallen champion who could not deal with the fame

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  1. Tyson Fury Goat

    Tyson Fury Goat Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    On June 1, Ruiz defeated Joshua by technical knockout in the seventh-round and his life changed for the better he became the first Mexican heavyweight champion he achieved his life long dream in not only winning the heavyweight title but helping his mum financially little did he know at that moment his life would change so quickly thereafter.............

    Ruiz was not use to the limelight this after all was a man who would hide away from the media he never felt what it was like for one second to have the public focusing on him.... he had problems with his past promoters arum liked what he saw but ultimately gave up on him because he sensed that he lacked real work ethic.......

    After winning the title Ruiz embarked on a long road of slow self destruction while Joshua also embarked on his own which would be proven to be more fruitful for him..................

    While Joshua locked himself away and dug deep into his soul Ruiz was the opposite confident and thought he was on top of the world but that was a false belief to have if only he knew if only..........He felt on top of the world to busy enjoying himself on lavish things partying drinking going on media tours everyone wanted a piece of the new champ mexico's first heavyweight champion.....

    Ruiz could only be receptive of all the adulation his trainers and dad in the meantime could see how this could ruin Ruiz but Ruiz wanted his moment the moment he worked for all his life how could they deny me my moment? would be his thoughts but they only just wanted to keep him straight...... they would call him into train but ruiz didn't want to come to busy enjoying his "moment"

    The rematch was signed and it was to be held in saudi arabia Ruiz held out more to get even more "money" all he was ever thinking of was the money what about the pride of not letting go what you won?

    The rematch was on Joshua won unanimous points decision and he regained all the belts he boxed him and kept him at distance and held whats worse is Ruiz jnr didn't put his all in his camp and came in horrible shape he lost and now he will be seen as the first Mexican heavyweight champion who let it all go...

    what is so sad is Ruiz is all wrong for Joshua has better chin hits harder has better combos he just let himself go with training properly
     
  2. Alphafighter

    Alphafighter Active Member banned Full Member

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    People are being to harsh here. Ruiz still only has two losses one of which was a debatable loss against Parker. Its not like he got involved in controversy outside the ring.

    Maybe losing the belts will make him work harder
     
  3. The Professor

    The Professor Socialist Ring Leader Staff Member

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    There are levels in this sport, and Ruiz just isn't at Joshua's level. The result in the first fight was always due to poor strategy on Joshua's part. Ruiz was always a class below, he just got lucky when Joshua fought his fight the first time
     
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  4. Hanz Cholo

    Hanz Cholo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    thing is that is AJ’s fight too...
    It wasn’t lucky he is just better at inside fighting then AJ is.

    Not Luck . Just poor judgement/ strategy in the moment ...
    AJ got impatient / wreckless , tried to finish Ruiz like he has everyone else. Problem with that is it gave Ruiz his only chance at what he does best.

    At least AJ learned from his mistakes.
     
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  5. Tyson Fury Goat

    Tyson Fury Goat Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    That is wrong Ruiz was always the better fighter better chin better punch better skills he proved it in the first fight

    Ruiz lost to himself AJ couldnt even dare to try and knock him out even though was in really bad shape
     
  6. UKboxingfan

    UKboxingfan Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Ffs all the excuses are here now. What happened to Joshua’s excuse when he was gonna lose? Keep the same energy, he isn’t as good as Joshua and he got lucky in the first fight.
     
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  7. Gomo

    Gomo Active Member Full Member

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    Ruiz is a great fighter.

    But he has flaws which Joshua exploited. His slow feet.

    I'm not buying that ruiz couldn't be arsed and didn't train etc.

    He came in with a game plan of being even heavier thinking he could bully AJ and push him around.

    They didn't bank on AJ being able to make such dramatic adjustments. They knew he would try and box more but they were still arrogant, didn't rate him, thought he would gas and get run over eventually.

    Give credit where its due, Ruizs team were completely out foxed by AJs team.
     
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  8. Mr Icaman

    Mr Icaman 32-0 WBC Champ, Ring + Lineal HW Champ Full Member

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    Pretty much this, like many members of the forum Ruiz's team totally thought they had his number and didn't even consider a plan B.

    Sure they knew AJ would try to box from distance but Ruiz is so much better it won't matter cause he would just close the distance..

    Problem is there are levels to not only the boxers but to the whole team backing the fighter and AJ has the money to leave no stone un turned.

    Ruiz's problem other than not having a huge amount of power is he isn't good at chasing, he needs you to come to him where his attributes of speed and combinations are able to be used countering...

    AJ and his team took that away from him and Ruiz had nothing other than to try and get AJ to fight like he wanted him to...

    I don't believe for a second that Ruiz didn't train hard it was just he was up against a far better team who developed a far better plan...
     
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  9. Sugar 88

    Sugar 88 The Empire Struck Back Full Member

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    Not sure he's a great fighter but he's a solid contender despite coming in laughably heavy last night. He should be able to work his way to another title shot - if he really wants to.

    Considering how large swathes of this board told us all Joshua had no chance in the rematch, was fighting for his career and would 'quit' again a lot of these same people are now super salty that their lardass champ let them down when the fact is he had no plan B and to beat Joshua, Joshua had to fight stupidly again.

    He had no plan to counter Joshua's jab and that was pretty much all Joshua threw all night.
     
  10. Gomo

    Gomo Active Member Full Member

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    I agree.

    And also what made ruiz and team overly confident is that Joshua has always been a fighter, a guy who holds centre ring and trades.

    They never thought in a million years he could fight on the outside like that for 12 rounds. They thought he was stiff, robotic, chinny and slow.

    Because that's exactly what he was in the first fight and how he has fought his whole career.

    Joshua showed why there are levels to this game. The top guys can fight more than one style and adjust.

    Ruiz has hand speed but he will always be one dimensional.

    It did make me laugh at the end when ruiz lost his rag and beckoned AJ in to fight him. Joshua just grinned and danced away as if it to say no chance mate, come and catch me fat boy.

    A masterclass performance.
     
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  11. Mr Icaman

    Mr Icaman 32-0 WBC Champ, Ring + Lineal HW Champ Full Member

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    Ruiz thought he was in a fight after school fight FFS not for keeping his life changing titles....

    That just showed you the difference in professionalism between the two camps...