How Many People Go Undefeated Through Jeffries's Era?

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  1. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    As in taking the place of Jeffries. How many?
    So at their best, how many people do you favour to go undefeated through this schedule?

    Gus Ruhlin 2*
    Joe Choynski
    Joe Goddard
    Peter Jackson (shot)
    Tom Sharkey 2*
    Bob Fitzsimmons 2* (past prime)
    John Finnegan
    James J Corbett 2*

    Over 15 rounds as normal fantasy match ups a piece.
     
  2. George Crowcroft

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    Noted. Fixed. I did not know that.
    Cheers
     
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  3. The Undefeated Lachbuster

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    Sharkey 2x and the Fitzsimmons rematch are definitely the biggest threats. Anyone in my top 20 Heavyweights could get through it undefeated (with the possible exception of Patterson). I reckon a few others too, I'd favor the likes of Ibeabuchi and Vitali through it even though they're not top 20.
     
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  4. George Crowcroft

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    1. Lennox Lewis
    2. Muhammad Ali
    3. Larry Holmes
    4. Mike Tyson
    5. George Foreman
    6. Sonny Liston
    7. Wladimir Klitschko
    8. Joe Frazier
    9. Riddick Bowe
    10. Joe Louis
    11. Evander Holyfield
    12. Vitali Klitschko
    13. Ike Ibeabuci
    14. Jack Dempsey
    15. David Tua
    16. Chris Byrd
    17. Tyson Fury
    18. Max Schmeling
    19. Corrie Sanders
    20. Rocky Marciano
    21. Deontay Wilder
    22. Anthony Joshua
    23. Jersey Joe Walcott
    24. Ray Mercer
    25. Tim Witherspoon
    26. Dillian Whyte
    27. Ron Lyle
    28. Max Baer
    29. Frank Bruno
    30. Sam Peter
    31. Alexander Povetkin
    32. Jimmy Young
    33. Joseph Parker
    34. Renaldo Snipes
    35. Ken Norton
    36. Kubrat Pulev
    37. Hasim Rahman
    38. Nikolai Valuev
    39. Luis Ortiz
    40. Trevor Berbick
    41. Harry Wills
    And then the CWs...
    1. Oleksandr Usyk
    2. David Haye
    3. Mairis Briedis
    4. Murat Gassiev
    5. Denis Lebedev
    6. Marco Huck
    7. Vasily Jirov
    8. James Toney
    9. Jean Marc Mormeck
    10. Juan Carlos Gomez

    Then the LHWs...
    1. Ezzard Charles
    2. Michael Spinks
    3. Gene Tunney
    4. Roy Jones Jr
    5. Archie Moore
    6. Harry Greb

    I appreciate it takes a lot of dedication to go undefeated over a long stretch of time in any era, but at their best... There's alot of guys who can.
     
  5. mcvey

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    Louis
    Dempsey
    Johnson
    Liston
    Foreman
    Ali
    Holmes
    Tyson
    Lewis
    Holyfield
     
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  6. mattdonnellon

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    Well anybody in the top 1000 beats Finnegan and thoes versions of Jackson and Goddard would lose to any top 500 man. You can't really say guys at their best, the likes of Mercer, Peter, Huck, Sanders, Berbick, Parker and a host more would'nt get through that lot on some of their off days. Fitz, I can see defeating a lot of your boys. Most though of a top 30 would accomplish the feat with reasonably luck.
     
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  7. mattdonnellon

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    Historically, he paid a high price for his ill-fated comeback.
     
  8. dinovelvet

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    Tony Bellew could probably beat half in not most of those cowpokes :campeon2:
     
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  9. janitor

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    I would not assume that anybody in history, could have beaten those opponents, in that time frame!

    This is one of the hardest runs for a novice fighter, in the history of the sport!
     
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  10. George Crowcroft

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    You don't think Muhammad Ali could've beaten some MWs and Tough guys over 15 rounds across 7 years?
     
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  11. mcvey

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    Ruhlin had 8 fights to Jeffries 6
    Finnegan10 to Jeffries 16
    Corbett15 to Jeffries 17
     
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  12. janitor

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    Even with somebody like Muhamad Ali, he would be getting fed to better fighters sooner, with far less amateur background, and probably meeting somebody like Cooper or Jones sooner.

    You have got Hank Griffin for the pro debut aged 19, then he is inactive until he is 21, when he comes back against Dan Long.

    A year after that he is fighting Gus Ruhlin.

    Two months later he is fighting Joe Choynski, who beat Jack Johnson remember.

    He ends up fighting Bob Fitzsimmons for the title, with only a dozen professional fights.

    I think that is quite an ask for any young fighter.
     
  13. George Crowcroft

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    Tbh I think you've missed the point of the thread, mate.

    I said at their "best", meaning they are at optimal condition and on their a game from their career best performance for each fight.
     
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  14. janitor

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    Then probably a fair few.

    the thing is that Jeffries was not at his best for most of these fights.

    He was probably only at his peak for the last couple of them!
     
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  15. Mendoza

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    How many could have done it with a similar amateur career and pro fights? Probably very few pre 1980.

    John L Sullvian - Never fought this class. Not likley or proven
    Corbett - did fight others and lost some. No
    Johnson was KO'd clean by Choynski, lost to Klondike, lost to Hart and had too many draws. A no.
    Dempsey, well he wasn't that good in his early professional days. A no
    Tunney, not likely, I have some of his early fights, he really improved a lot. A no.
    Louis. A maybe, but with that defense and chin, probably would lose one
    Marciano Depends on how raw he was as a young pro. Not likely