I have and unless he was injured he’d completely dominate him. The flip side of the coin is look how Froch performed against guys who didn’t stand in front of him.
Smart money would be on Joe C. But I don't think it would be as easy as most here are suggesting. We cannot act like Joe C didn't look highly vulnerable to lesser opponents. ( Sure, wee can say the same w/ froch). Can see a tough 8-4 type win for JC.
Healthy Calzaghe vs Froch or injury-ravaged Calzaghe vs him? Generally you pit the best versions of fighters together in hypothetical match ups and if Calzaghe is healthy it would be competitive at times but ultimately he'd win wide. Too fast, too active, too skilful and too tough. Anyone who thinks Froch stops Calzaghe hasn't got a clue what they're talking about. As tough as Froch undoubtedly was, Calzaghe was equally so. Calzaghe might have been dropped a number of times but don't forget that Froch was also dropped by Taylor and very heavily by Groves and he was also hurt numerous other times during his career. Kessler hurt him a bunch of times and made his legs dip, Adamu also made his legs dip too. Dirrell hurt him a bit too and Dale Westerman had him casting worried looks over to Robert McCracken too during the early stages such was the regularity he was catching him flush and Froch was clearly feeling the weight of those shots too. I'm not saying he wasn't tough. He was. In fact, he was super tough and he had one of the best chins in the sport. But Calzaghe was super tough too and people seem to conveniently forget that. This is an injury-ravaged Calzaghe who'd only sparred 14 rounds in 2 years against the big punching Robin Reid who still to this day Froch says is the hardest puncher he ever fought. Many of these right hand bombs Reid clocked Calzaghe with were KO shots and Calzaghe who, like I said, was not only carrying injuries going into the fight but also new ones during it and hardly did any sparring, was getting clocked flush with massive ones and in some rounds repeatedly over and over again in quick succession. This content is protected This content is protected Carl Froch BEST PUNCHER Robin Reid: He hurt me the most with a single shot. I can’t say George Groves because he caught me square on in the first fight, when I left my feet behind me. That was a heavy knockdown made worse by my balance being off. Also, after his fast start dwindled, I came on strong, so I can’t say Groves. I remember Reid hitting me and saying, ‘F word hell, that hurt.’ Jermain Taylor had me down, but that was more of a sharp shot. Robin Reid could really bang, and in my opinion he deserved the win over Joe Calzaghe in their fight. That said, Calzaghe had to be tough to walk through the right hands he took from Reid. ''Froch does hit hard but again not the hardest puncher ive been in with ROBIN REID hit harder when he was in his prime.'' --Tony Dodson Richie Woodhall BEST CHIN Calzaghe: He was a tough geezer. I wasn’t a devastating puncher; I was more of a worker, and that showed against Calzaghe. I hit him many times but nothing affected him Mikkel Kessler Joe was also awkward and effective. And he could take a punch. I would say I hit Joe with some of my hardest shots ever and he took them. Carl is more a hard hitter but he’s slow. But Carl doesn’t respect anything. Even if you hit him really hard he will still come forward.
Come on, Herol. Joe didn't duck Carl. No serious, objective fan was calling for this fight. Carl was largely unheralded, particularly on the world stage. Whilst there was some fanfare behind him (mainly in Nottingham), he was generally seen as slow, had a leaky defence, and could easily get drawn into a shootout. In hindsight, it is a missed opportunity. But, at the time, no one believed Carl would achieve what he achieved. It was like when Collins retired when Joe was his mandatory. No one accused Collins of ducking Joe as Joe was largely unkown. I understand that you don't like Joe, but you are really reaching here and trying to rewrite history.
I don't know if it's possible for someone to win more than 12 rounds in a 12 round fight, but this is probably where you'd see it.
its not about "come on". The guy left the division once the tough mandos arrived. an entirely irrelevant argument seeing as it was a mando and he avoided it for shot roy jones, way less called for.
No, you've exaggerated. You haven't even factored in the level of emotion that would have been involved. They both had huge egos. There would have been fireworks at the pressers and the weigh-in etc. In the fight, they'd have been taunting each other etc, which would no doubt have lead to a shoot out at some point. I'm not for one minute saying that I think Carl would have had a chance of beating him. I think it would definitely have have been a clear U/D for Joe. There's not a doubt in my mind about that. But any talk of a 12 round landslide isn't at all realistic. I watched Joe's entire career. You can't just claim he was injured every time he dropped rounds.
I never claimed anything of the sort. Froch isn’t even a good inside fighter, there’s no distance in which he’s better and as for emotion I think the so called emotion would get to Froch. Froch wasn’t ready for him when he became mandatory and no version of Froch would ever be ready. You think Calzaghe by UD, what type of scorecard are you talking.
Mind if you put it on at Wembley stadium in front of 80,000 people then you would have to favour Froch.
But he beat Kessler, who went on to beat Froch. He moved up to fight Hopkins who was P4P 2 at the time. Calzaghe moves up to face Hopkins, a top P4P fighter at the time, two months earlier Froch was facing Rybecki. I don’t see a duck or avoidance.
Okay. So if you've never claimed such a thing, then you'd know that despite being a great fighter, he dropped rounds to many guys over the years. He was always a sucker for a right hand. And if Carl could have lured him into a tear up, it would have favoured him. I've already said that in my opinion, it would have been a clear win for Joe. The only thing I'm arguing against, is the landslide 10-2 - 12-0 that you have predicted. Eubank took a few rounds off of him. Reid gave him a tough fight. And I think Reid would always have given Joe a tough night, even if Joe had been 100% fit. Mitchell and Salem had him on the floor. A light punching Hopkins and a shot version of Roy had him on the floor. Bika was rough and dirty and gave him a hard nights work. Kessler won rounds. If you can't see Froch winning any rounds, there's no point in taking it any further.
