I think Turpin wins this on points. His win against Robinson is better than anything Toney has done. Thoughts?
#1. Watch some mu'****ing James Toney. He whoops that ass #2 it's foolish to make predictions based on achievements, over styles and skill.
Turpin had a very short time at the top. He was fearsome, strong, awkward and he had quick hands. His jab was a huge weapon for him. Toney had a much different style than Robinson. Better pocket defense but not anywhere near the footwork or speed of SRR. It depends on how Toney deals with the strength and awkwardness of Turpin. I would layoff this one. Some fighters get ruined by a loss. Especially when it's a devastating KO. I think that was the case with Randy Turpin.
Turpin's best performance was a lovely display of boxing against C ockell... overall he was a good & capable fighter, lucky and unlucky too. But like a lot of fighters I feel he enjoyed the pleasure of hype, which has carried him to a wrong historic placement. it's like achievement wins, you get an automatic high standing, yet there were greater champions who rate less because of less title wins and such. like Boxrec Ratings, it is extremely erroneous that 'recent decade fighters score 'higher' because they might have competed in say a dozen or so title fights in a total of 35 fight careers, where as great past champions who might have only competed in 2 or 3 title fights in a 100 or more fight career score 'lower' in Boxrec's tallying system. it is not just questionable, it is completely inaccurate in reality. see AJ and Fury for example. their 31 and 33 greatest HW's of Alltime Boxrec Rating wise... how & why and as if. they'd be luck to be in the TOP 200 HW's of all time, when you think of the literally hundreds of good & great HWs who have graced boxing rings over 150 years of boxing. Same sort of thing for Turpin.
In Randy Turpin's day there were not multiple titles floating around. No 168lbs division. It was alot different.
If you think AJ and Fury would be lucky to get in the Top 200 HW's of all time then your deluded beyond saving and need your head checking.
did you Read and Understand my post? First Off we need to be very clear here, very clear. HW's and Fury, AJ, LL, Klits and ALL of Today's HW's are NOT HW's - they are SUPER-Heavyweights and that is a Different Animal / division, completely different!!! so once you divide them, you have 2 Lists - Over 100 years of Heavyweights and approx 35 years of SUPER - Heavyweights. so after you list say 110 years of HW Champions and Top Contenders you will get at least 150 names and more counting some worthy on the Fringe guys. then you list 35 years of S-HW Champions and Contenders you'd be lucky to List 75 truly Top Class men. so I repeat, even if you take the TOP 15-20 S-HW Greats, most of which aren't really greats are they, lets be honest. so very few of them would replace the TOP Heavyweights on EVEN Terms on P4P Head to Head Lists, would they. remember silly 'points' given on computer systems that DON'T Account for Eras and Number of fights undertaken against True Quality Opposition and such missing factors, Don't Count. ... this method is horribly flawed. So I stand by my statement, and there are many Boxing fans, writers, researchers and historians that understand this without having to spell it out!
Nowhere in your original post do you say anything about distinguishing between HWs and S-HWs… but here you are, blaming the guy for not being able to read your mind, and understand that this is what you're talking about. What a strange way to behave!
Whoa slow down, nobodies blaming anybody. I'm just explaining my post 'IF' it isn't clear enough. Sorry. you are right however, in that it isn't an automatic given that they are 2 different divisions, again you are right here. but equally there are a lot of people that do too though. so for the benefit of all I have tried to clarify.
I don't think booze was an issue at all. He was a compulsive spender and continued spending like there was no tomorrow even when he was heavily in debt. His decision to take control of his own affairs after the second Robinson fight was a fatal mistake.
