If he stripped all of his fat and got into the condition that Wilder and Joshua are in he would be less than 200lbs. I guarantee you that skinny Wilder is stronger than him in pretty much every gym lifting exercise. Ruiz does not have that much muscle.
Nah, it is indeed you being "reckless" to say Tyson used PEDs. They did steroids in 1970, but not only more later, but much more effective with drug regimens & potentiators... You used such an early date because pro bodybuilders got so much bigger later. And Tyson was fairly lean, & might have had about average legs for that year...But somewhat less of an upper body. By either appearance or actual measurements. Schwartzenegger won from 1970-'75, * '80: & he was *much* bigger above the waist. Only the occasional, early days, very lean & defined Mr. O's had similar buk to Tyson-like Frank Zane. Tyson had less muscle than even the ealy years big guys: because he was fairly lean, not extremely lean like any Mr. Olympia. Which means he had less muscle at the same weight. He might have used, but he was within a big boned man's potential-& he was pretty heavily muscled in his early teens when he had no access to steroids. Both caveats are completely unlike Holyfield.
I AGREE with you here on the first point & about his muscle-relative to a MODERN HW. Still much more than an average man. I guesstimate that his lean body mass (weight with all fat removed) is 177 lbs. At 200 lbs. he would be a bit over 10% bf. I disagree that Wilder is likely stronger in every gym lift. he *may* be stronger in the upper body, maybe not. WILDER also does not have that much upper body muscle, though so defined. And his legs are listed at 14" & 18": that upper leg measurement is historically low for a HW.
Ruiz may have stronger legs than Wilder but then again they may just be fat legs with little muscle on them. Wilder definitely has more upper body muscle mass, especially these days when he is weighing around 220lbs..
Frank Zane was 5'9 185lbs from what I remember, Tyson was 220lbs at 5'10. To get to Zane's level of body fat he'd probably have to lose 20lbs so that is still 200lbs at 5'10 and Zane used steroids for sure. The post prison Tyson even had very defined abs and weighed just above 220lbs. He was on the gear for sure.
Don't think anyone would argue that he isn't overweight but Losing 45 lbs would be all he needs to lose. I know I've called him morbidly obese myself but he isn't. Morbidly obese person can not go 12 rnds in a Heavyweight championship fight. He is out of shape and fighting 40 to 50 lbs heavier than he should. That would put him in the 220-230 lbs range. Draining down to under 200 would mess him up.
He is more than 50lbs overweight. If he got into the same shape as Wilder and Joshua he would be under 200lbs.
If he bulked and got rid of the fat he would be in the 220 lb range. He would be built like David Tua. They are around the same height and same physical build. you guys are basing this all on his height.
If he bulked after a cut he could get up to 220lb but if he was to strip off all of the fat he currently has he would be less than 200lbs.
You realize we are talking about a professional fighter ? Also a fighter that rely heavily on his KO power. Can he get under 200 lbs, yes. But why the **** would he drain himself of muscle and fat to get under 200 as a professional fighter? Ruiz under 200 would not be the same Ruiz the fighter.
I'm not saying it would be a good thing, I'm just saying that without all of that fat he would not weigh over 200lbs. He would be better if he dropped fat and built more muscle but it would take a very long time to do that without steroids.
