Well said. Just google 100lb fat loss pictures and you will see people who had a physique like Ruiz diet down to a normal sub 200lb person. The guy is grossly overweight. The worst physique ever for a World Champion. He makes Tyson Fury look like a Greek god.
Agreed. It’s ridicuolus to claim he’d be around 240 lbs if he was in shape. We’ve seen him around 250 lbs and he was still fat, still grossly out of shape. The fact that a small HW/fat CW beat Joshua and is a top10 HW is just too hard for some people to acknowledge.
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And his obesity makes him a heavy weight. How do you determine a boxers "real" weight class? By calculating them to have a standard BMI of 25 or by what weight they actually have? Could Ruiz weight less than he does? Yes. Could Lomachenko weight less than he does? Yes. He also looses weight to fight in a lower category than he really is. Could Wilder drop down to cruiser? Yes. Is he a natural cruiser? What is the purpose of this thread? To point out that Andy Ruiz is fat or to question the weight class system?
You may be right about Bruno. But it is by no means assured this is the case. You do not have any evidence to counter my points regarding Tyson, nor specific evidence of using, only supposition when Tyson both is within what someone of his bone structure could gain naturally, & his size & temperment can be accounted for by natural circumstances. And I see no either implausible weight gain, & he was muscular before doing anything, even lifting, & before he would have been able to afford, or need, or likely be exposed to, steroids. One thing that is incorrect is a HR may well gain 20 lbs.-or somewhat more. Ali & numerous others moved UP to HW & gained mucho weight, now you mean what they gained when a HW. Look at Lennox Lewis-he was 6' 5" & fought right in the 220's. Then later he was mid to late 240's, & most of it was muscle, finally a bit overweight when past 255 against Klitchko. But you can see from being 6'5" & not having a huge chest that he had the frame to add that muscle naturally. Again, he *could* have juiced. But no reason to think he must have. Others who started off not too bulky can gain 20 lbs. of mostly muscle, especially with weight training well applied. Tyson himself migrated to the 230's-but that was fat-though he just went from lean to not, he did not gain additional muscle. Now let us look at this in a more granular, scien-terrific way. :-0 Bruno gained 19 lbs. We both should be specific & not round up or down to favor our position. I will stipulate that the vast majority of it appears to be muscle. Though you never know the exact proportion, & it is easy to weigh a few lbs. more or less just with variations of food in various stages of digestion & water weight. And the rematch was his last fight, just over 7 years later. If they rematched within the year, since he was already pretty muscylar by any normal assessment, I would AGREE that he at least almost certainly juiced. Because if it is NEW muscle (you never were that size before), & you gain it at this rate, that is not believeable to do this within a year! A novice, certainly a big boned one, absolutely. Not if you are already that muscular size. But when it is many years later-& given that he is within the muscular size that some large framed individuals can achieve naturally (I have heard & seen about some who are heavier at that height or a bit shorter, all natural)... We really cannot know if he juiced without specific evidence. You know Carnera was massive before steroids were even around-in his early career, before they were even INVENTED. And I am sure you will agree that while a strongman, he is very unlikely to have had the benefit of the quality of weight training knowledge & facilities, fuhgettibout the nutrition (like eating many times a day to get more protein & avoid being catabolic). So while some used & we will never know... Others will be naturally bulky & suspected despite being innocent. Hell I was never that size, & heard whispers about having juiced even though I never would even take creatine. Like by two thin teens, when doing a set of 10, 135 lb. "skull crushers" & with decent form (though with wrists bent forward). No, I have heard about steroid monsters doing mucho more. I just had virtually maximized my genetic potential. A Bruno & most all modern HWs have better genes even just for bulking up than me.
Hmm? that does remind me of NFL players who after retiring went from 235 to 200. Barry Bonds dropped 30 pounds back to his pre steroid days of 200. I think you are on solid ground with this idea. Steroids would explain his irrational behavior at times
Ruiz IS fat. And many acknowledge that-most everyone who is writing about his bone structure & ideal size-but you are missing their points. Which is twofold: generally that he is somewhat larger than an average man in bone structure & muscle mass. Also speculating about what weight would be either ideal for him to fight at, or what weight he could fight at. He is not "just a random fat guy". In skills & accomplishment, or his lean body mass. If that was the case-& he is a likely maximum of 6'-then he would be a max of 180 lbs. at ~20% body fat. And he would be no more than the mid 160's at 10% bf. Which would mean that with day before weigh ins/rehydration, he could fight at WW without even being under 10% bf! This is obviously untrue. He could do this with LWH. But given his style & his naturally being fat... I & others would say he likely would be best at ~ 235. Which would be near 35% body fat. Fair enough?
No it does not make sense. Athletes almost always lose significant muscle after they retire (unless maybe they were thin such as distance runners to start with). Because it is unnecessary & may be difficult to maintain, & they just want to relax. That PED guys do this too does not establish who was juicing. It is just that *most* ex jocks gain fat also & get heavier. He had no cause to say Tyson was not vegan, or usually so...Or that he was not trying & succeeding to conrol his weight. That he lost muscle is near universal! For Tyson 220 lbs. while pretty lean, when doing heavy exercises could very well be his natural weight. This is true for many-even under 6', with big bones & good or better hormonal levels. You think Tua must have juiced? No. As I said before, there was no reason erratic conduct needs to have even any drugs associated with it, This was true before they ever invented steroids. And given his lack of parental guidance/absent parents & ccrimnal youth, let alone exploitation by Don King & the likes of Robin Givens...he was likely to be somewhat cuckoo.
Andy is a chubby dude who fought AJ on an off night and got lucky. He’s a minor footnote of the game like so many before him. He wore the belt for a short time even though he probably couldn’t physically wear it. More like holding it up in area where a normal belt would go. You know.
it's funny, I keep seeing Sarano Buffet Ads on Ruiz threads! All You Can Eat Buffet Crabs at some Casino Restaurant!!
Do we have any evidence that Tyson is lighter now? He doesn't look it to me. Just less muscular and a bit flabbier, probably still weighs like 230.
