José Napoles vs Tony Canzoneri?

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by George Crowcroft, Dec 24, 2019.



Who Wins?

  1. Napoles PTS

    28.6%
  2. Tony PTS

    28.6%
  3. Napoles (T)KO

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  4. Tony (T)KO

    14.3%
  5. Draw/Can't Decide

    28.6%
  1. red cobra

    red cobra VIP Member Full Member

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    Absolutely...the answer is indeed Napoles.
     
  2. PhillyPhan69

    PhillyPhan69 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Lol, I knew there was another reasonable poster out there somewhere on this forum!
     
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  3. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Does this matter?
     
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  4. Bukkake

    Bukkake Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Canzoneri is one of the earliest boxers, who looks (to me, anyway) really, REALLY impressive.

    Could he beat LW Napoles? Hmm... very hard to say. Even at 135 the Cuban was very good. Can't really make up my mind - so I think I'll chicken out on this one, and call it a draw!
     
  5. The Morlocks

    The Morlocks Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yes! Its what separates the very elite from the great.
     
  6. roughdiamond

    roughdiamond Ridin' the rails... Full Member

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    What do you think of Midget Wolgast and Jimmy Wilde?
     
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  7. Bukkake

    Bukkake Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Both were very good… especially Wilde, who looks ahead of his time.

    Wolgast was fast and unorthodox - but, though it can look spectacular, I'm not a big fan of when he punches with both feet off the ground!
     
  8. roughdiamond

    roughdiamond Ridin' the rails... Full Member

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    I would add Pancho Villa IMO as well, since he seemed to use the cross guard very effectively and cut off aggressively. Definitely rooted in filipino Martial arts.
    It's also a shame we have only two bits of footage on Wolgast, and he's past prime in both of them.

    Also, bump. Surprised this match up isn't more popular
     
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  9. Richard M Murrieta

    Richard M Murrieta Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Tony wins this one by decision, Mantequilla is a natural welterweight, loss of power at lightweight. Both are all time greats.
     
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  10. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Disagree, Napoles was definitely too small for WW imo
     
  11. Richard M Murrieta

    Richard M Murrieta Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I agree that he was small, but his fame was at welterweight, World Welterweight Champion, from 1969-1971, 1971-1975, the man he won it from was a tall Curtis Cokes, on April 18 1969, TKO 13. He was too small for World Middleweight Champion Carlos Monzon, by TKO 7, Feb 9 1974. If he was a lightweight, he would have fought World Lightweight Champion Roberto Duran in 1974.
     
  12. surfinghb1

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    I would say he is more a natural jr welter. He is in top 3 all time there for me and might be #1 .. And he was fighting there already 5 or 6 years into it ,, But at 135, I would go with Canzeneri
     
  13. JohnThomas1

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    I'd say 140 may have been Napoles' absolute sweetspot, weight wise. He was a small welterweight but a fighter great enough to still be one of the very best of all time there. While fighting at 135 and under Napoles was certainly pre-prime. This version isn't beating an ATG lightweight and actually had losses against much lesser fighters - because he was still a fledgling.

    You'd have to take a leap of faith and assume Napoles could make 135 somewhere around 68-69. This has got to drain him somewhat and against a fellow ATG these things are going to matter, one would think.

    At 135 it's definitely Tony for me. At 140, well there's a fight. Prime Napoles would have a much better chance of making the weight and losing little to nothing. I think he could. Napoles would hold all the advantages then and it would be mighty hard to go against him.
     
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