Julian Jackson v Roy Jones`s opposion at 168 and 160 how would he have fared?

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  1. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Jackson had faster hands than anyone Roy beat and Jones couldn`t have finished Jackson in 2 the way McCallum did at 154, but how Jackson have done against all the fighters Roy fought at 160 and 168?
     
  2. JohnThomas1

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    Why can't Jones stop an aggressive green Jackson in 2 rounds? Because you can't stand him? Do you think McCallum would stop Thomas Tate in 2 rounds? That would be massively less likely than Jones stopping Jackson in 2 let me tell you.

    Thomas Tate went 12 rounds with your boy Jackson yet couldn't last 2 with Jones. You've oft criticized Jones stoppage in 2 of Tate yet champion others above him.

    So there's a good common opponent fought by both not long apart. Tate was undefeated post Jackson before he fought Jones.

    A green Hopkins would still have been quite an awkward fight for Jackson. Toney would have beat him, possibly by stoppage. The rest at 168 aren't a scary bunch and it's just a matter of whether Jackson handles 168 half decently. I think he could come in well under the limit and still be effective against most of that lot.
     
  3. Henry Hank

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    I would pick him to beat everyone other than Hopkins and Toney.

    And if you think Jones couldnt stop Jackson then you clearly dont know what youre talking about.
     
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    escudo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Jackson spends 12 rounds swinging at air. Or gets nuked at some point. Jackson was a bit of a glass cannon. He shorter and MUCH slower than Roy.

    Roy toys with him 8 fights out of 10.
     
  5. Saad54

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    Well for starters he fought Thomas Tate and won a gruelling decision. Jones KOd Tate in 2.

    I think Hopkins would have beaten Jackson.

    Jackson never fought at 168, but if he fought Toney at 160, I see Toney chopping him up with counters all night long.

    Jackson was a great puncher but unless he landed a haymaker, like he did against Graham, he couldn't beat any of the other top 160 pounders of his era. Look at his 160 lb resume. Don King setup opponents except Graham and McClellan. And Jackson was really the opponent in the first McClellan fight, although Jackson was champion.
     
  6. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    If McCallum came out swinging against Tate the way he did v Jackson and hit Tate as much as he hit Jackson with power shots he might have stopped him, but McCallum was a more effective puncher at 154 anyway, no way would Roy stand in the pocket and trade with Jackson if he came out as agressive as he did v McCallum, Roy couldn`t fight in the pocket like McCallum did although he could be dangerous with his back to the ropes, I feel he would have been very cautious of Jackson`s one punch KO power like Norris was.
     
  7. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Jackson had faster hands than anyone Roy beat, McCallum said Julian had the fastest hands he ever faced. Jones also had a glass jaw.
     
  8. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    I feel Roy could stop Jackson but would be more nervous than McCallum was v Jackson.
     
  9. JohnThomas1

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    Jones showed no signs of a glass jaw in his prime. The guy was 15 years and 50 fights deep before he had any durability drama's.

    While on what fighters said Jackson claimed Tate had the best chin of everyone he faced yet Jones decimated him in minutes.

    Jackson also said the best he ever faced was McClellan.
     
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    Well McCallum didn't even fight Tate let alone come out swinging and speculatively knock him out. McCallum actually ramped it up against Jackson because he felt he had to and got him out of there. Tate is a completely different scenario.

    Jackson wasn't hard to hit and was a bit fragile. Jones would have hit him with blinding punches at opportune times and when he hurt him he'd get him out of there. Jones didn't have to trade and swing for the fences to get people out of there early. He had huge power and one punch often made a difference.

    McCallum had great skills in the pocket. He also struggled against outside fighters with speed. He and Jones are totally different fighters. One was a superb technician and the other had god given talent, power and speed. Being a better technician does not make one a better fighter.
     
  11. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    No way McCallum was far better than McClellan, Gerald was just a slugger he got caught in the fight with Jackson flush, McCallum got caught too but used great in-fighting skills to detroy Jackson quicker than G-man could, plus McClellan was awful against Benn, McCallum would have done far better v Benn and beat Watson easily who stopped a green Benn at middle in `89.
     
  12. escudo

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    Julian Jackson DID NOT have faster hands than James Toney. McCallum can say what he will. But show me a clip of Jackson with comparable handspeed to this or GTFO https://i.imgur.com/fzBMM9R.mp4
     
  13. JohnThomas1

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    You take McCallum saying Jackson had the fastest paws he ever faced as gospel yet Jackson says G Mac is the best he faced and you want to fob it off.

    McCallum is far more polished than G Mac but G Mac is still one dangerous man. Jackson certainly thinks so.

    I'm not sure i'd be holding up G's fight against Benn as the be all and end all given what transpired and came out before, during and after.
     
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  14. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    How often did Toney throw combo`s like that? He didn`t throw a combo like that v McCallum, his hand speed didn`t look any faster v Mike than Jackson`s did at 154 and McCallum`s own hand speed was qucker at 154 too.
     
  15. escudo

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    McCallum didn't let him. Because McCallum is a really good smart fighter who tended to end exchanges on his own terms. Yeah his hands do look faster than I've seen in any jackson fight. Juilian threw bombs while James threw volume. But James beats Jackson to the punch 8/10.
     
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