Does Eddie Hearn advance his talent too quickly ?

Discussion in 'British Boxing Forum' started by high tower, Dec 31, 2019.


  1. Twentyman

    Twentyman You dog nonce! banned Full Member

    7,197
    14,789
    Apr 20, 2016
    Ultimately, I think it’s down to the fighter both mentally and their capabilities. Some will need gradual step ups, some like your Josh Taylor types have the mentality to match the talent. The promoter can throw suggestions at the fighter and his team but ultimately it’s their decision whether to take it.

    What I’ve noticed personally albeit in a different profession, is that someone can be overhyped more than their current capabilities. What can happen though is that if they can hang in there long enough, they start to believe they belong there. When they start to believe they belong there, their capabilities start to match the hype...almost like a self fulfilling prophecy. With Joshua for example, he was half the fighter he is today when he fought Martin. Gradually, he’s grown into them shoes. Granted, he’s been bingo’d but he’s since adapted and won.

    It’s not an exact science....some fighters will fail to match the initial hype but that doesn’t mean they can’t achieve their dreams eventually. Interestingly, if Hearn would have had the reigns on Josh Warrington, would he have gone on to achieve what he achieved in the manner that he has or would he have been advanced more quickly like Ritson has arguably have done?

    I’m gonna be honest, I can’t remember why I started typing this, I’ve forgot my point completely haha.
     
    Momus and ScottishGypsy89 like this.
  2. im sparticus

    im sparticus There Ye Go. Full Member

    5,717
    3,718
    May 16, 2010
    In general I would agree that Hearn mov3s his fighters on too fast. He has a belief that the ones who he signs from the GB squad should be ready for world titles around 10 fights in. And the rest of the lads he signs he seems to think that should take opportunity presented to them n9 matter who the opponent is. He resigns himself to the belief that 'you never know, you have a chance whoever ur in with and it might just work out for u.
    He's a chancer is Hearn.
     
    Scissors and kojak like this.
  3. TonyHayers

    TonyHayers Well-Known Member banned Full Member

    2,863
    2,375
    Nov 1, 2018
    Not really sure any promoter can be said to be innocent when it comes to a dangerous match up.

    Crolla Lomachenko was a mandatory anyway wasn’t it? More a case of someone being outclassed without any obviously dangerous element. It’s not like it was sending someone like Julius Francis to their obvious doom against Mike Tyson.
     
  4. Wizbit1013

    Wizbit1013 Drama go, and don't come back Full Member

    13,321
    16,949
    Mar 17, 2018
    One thing nobody ever mentions is that when Frank made this comment on TV,he never in no shape or form said it could or would be the headline act on a stadium show

    He may have meant that and if he did he must have been on the whiskey backstage but he never actually said it
     
  5. Wizbit1013

    Wizbit1013 Drama go, and don't come back Full Member

    13,321
    16,949
    Mar 17, 2018
    Crolla was a mando tbf and it was the pay day he probably needed to say goodbye to the sport
    Hearns done a few reckless fights as have most promotions but i think you cant use this one as an example
     
  6. EJC83

    EJC83 Boxing Addict Full Member

    4,357
    6,664
    Jan 20, 2019
    Yup, Tevin Farmer got stopped in his first pro fight and lost 4 of his first 12 fights, drawing one too. That's Tevin Farmer, a World Champion for two years now. Srisaket Sor Rungvisai lost 3 and drew 1 of his first 5 pro fights, what a career he has had since. Defeats should just be viewed as part of the journey, not the end of the road.
     
  7. Degale

    Degale Active Member Full Member

    691
    766
    Nov 24, 2013
    No he doesn't

    people are too precious to defend boxer's 0 on the record, this fight for Kelly has huge reward if he was to win.

    Boxers need to gamble and take big fights because it can propel there career.
     
  8. Scissors

    Scissors Posts are sponsored by Matchroom Full Member

    9,364
    14,007
    Feb 11, 2018
    A salesman. You can imagine him in the office with a fighter telling them a world title offer is on the table now and selling it to them as if the opportunity mightn’t come again.
     
    im sparticus likes this.
  9. nurological

    nurological Boxing Junkie Full Member

    8,545
    10,725
    May 25, 2012
    The likes of Glen Johnson?

    Johnson was pretty much the supermiddle version of Kingpin at that point.
     
    Momus and Unforgiven like this.
  10. nurological

    nurological Boxing Junkie Full Member

    8,545
    10,725
    May 25, 2012
    I was at the fight and it was terrible. As Johnson was standing waiting to come out somebody shouted 'knock him out glen' and Johnson looked as if to say 'yeah that's not happening'. Awful fight and card. Originally oit was a stacked card but lots of fighters pulled out and then that ended up as main event.

    It was the last Warren show I went to until Davis v Walsh.
     
    Unforgiven likes this.
  11. high tower

    high tower Active Member Full Member

    835
    386
    Mar 27, 2008
    he also has has a high risk of getting beaten up as he’s not at the same stage as his opponent.

    I agree that defending the 0 is the wrong attitude but don’t agree with getting chucked in against someone much more advanced.

    along with pushing them too quickly they then get dumped off the second they lose.
     
  12. EJC83

    EJC83 Boxing Addict Full Member

    4,357
    6,664
    Jan 20, 2019
    Marvin Hagler said the most frustrating thing about his career is that it took him so long to get a World title shot. Boxing is different now, you don't fight as frequently as those guys anymore, there's far more belts to win and many different roads to go down to get a World title fight. In Kelly's case he probably should have 2 or 3 more fights before he faces someone as dangerous as Avanesyan but let's not forget that he's definitely beatable, Kavaliauskas, who recently lost to Crawford, TKO'd Avanesyan and then drew with Ray Robinson, the same Ray Robinson that Kelly drew with. I don't like to use these triangle theories but Kelly was slated by many for the Robinson draw even though he probably did enough to win, maybe Kelly is ready, we'll see.
     
    ScottishGypsy89, Scissors and Jurgen like this.
  13. LoadedGlove

    LoadedGlove Boxing Addict Full Member

    3,527
    4,288
    Dec 6, 2019
    Dubois v Gorman was ordered by the Board and both boys wanted it. Frank was very reluctant to make the fight but was left with little choice.
     
    Unforgiven likes this.