2010s was a pathetic decade for great boxers

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  1. tinman

    tinman VIP Member Full Member

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    This decade had 2 ATG's. Andre Ward and Sergey Kovalev. Maybe Oleksandr Usyk too, but my gripe with him is he never fought another great fighter in their prime. Even though Briedis and Gassiev are very solid, but they are not great.

    Hopefully the 2020s produce more guys willing to chase greatness.
     
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  2. KeedCubano

    KeedCubano Read my posts in a Jamaican accent Full Member

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    Eh, at this point I might have Canelo top 100 P4P all time (I'm torn between him, Ward and Del a Hoya), so he's by my definition an ATG. Usyk, Gonzalez and Wlad are also great at their respective divisions imo.

    What great fighters did Kovalev beat in their prime?
     
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  3. tinman

    tinman VIP Member Full Member

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    Andre Ward. And I'll go to my grave saying that. So there is not point debating me otherwise because I cant be convinced otherwise.
     
  4. Boxing2019

    Boxing2019 If you want peace, prepare war. Full Member

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    2000s were worse above all in the HWs. I save Lewis, Vitali, Wlad, Povetkin and Rahman. The rest is to be forgotten...few level fighters and a lot of dirty promoters.
     
  5. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Loma is better than Canelo.
     
  6. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Rahman was crap.
     
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  7. Boxing2019

    Boxing2019 If you want peace, prepare war. Full Member

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    Better than many others however.
     
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  8. Lesion of Doom

    Lesion of Doom Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I actually thought it was a solid decade. The HW division became interesting for the first time since the 1990s, you had a couple of aging superstars in Maywether and Pacquaio still having some great moments, ATGs in Ward, Usyk and Canelo, a superfight at MW, the WW division had talent and depth, a shocking upset of a HW champion, more boxing on more screens, the functional end of King & Arum casting a shadow over the sport (mostly), etc, etc.
     
  9. "TKO"

    "TKO" Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I don't view either of those as all time greats. Hall of famers yes, but for me ATG needs to be saved for the elite of the elite. How many real world class wins does Kovalev have? Cleverly? Campillo? Pascal? Chilemba? 50 year old Hopkins? Alvarez? That's only half a dozen or so and only a one weight champ. Doesn't reach the bar for ATG status for me. Yeah he got jobbed against Ward but even so...

    As for loaded dice Ward, he did a good job in establishing himself as top fighter in one weight class, but the guy had the deck stacked in his favour so much every time that I can't consider him among the true legends of the sport. The disgraceful head butting of Kessler, the elbows and low blows, every fight on home soil with homer referee and judges, the flat out refusal to even consider neutral officials for the Kovalev rematch...
     
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  10. theanatolian

    theanatolian Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    What do you mean “produced in this decade”? If you mean “made their debuts in this decade”, then Ward and Kovalev don’t classify.

    If you mean “peaked in this decade”, then I’d put Lomachenko, Canelo, Golovkin, Usyk, winner of Wilder/Fury, Chocolatito, Donaire, Tim Bradley and Estrada ahead of Kovalev as far as ATG status goes. (There might also be a case for Crawford, Mthalane and Yamanaka as well)
     
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  11. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon. Full Member

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    Decade's P4P Top 20 based on significant wins, not hypothetical ability
    1.Mayweather: Mosley, Cotto, Canelo, Pacquiao
    2.Pacquiao: Margarito, Mosley, Bradley x3, Thurman
    3.Gonzalez: Estrada, Yaegashi, Sosa, Viloria, Wangek
    4.Donaire: Montiel, Narvaez, Nishioka, Arce, Darchinyan
    5.Golovkin: Jacobs, Canelo x2
    6.Canelo: Trout, Cotto, Jacobs, Kovalev
    7.Kovalev: Cleverly, Hopkins, Pascal x2, Ward
    8.Ward: Bika, Abraham, Froch, Dawson
    9.Usyk: Glowacki, Huck, Breidis, Gassiev, Bellew
    10.Joshua: Whyte, Breazeale, Klitschko, Takam, Parker, Povetkin
    11.Lara: Williams, Trout, Canelo
    12.Inoue: Narvaez, McDonnell, Donaire
    13.Rigondeaux: Donaire
    14.Martinez: Pavlik, Williams
    15.Klitschko: Haye, Povetkin, Pulev
    16.Estrada: Viloria, Wangek
    17.Lomachenko: Russell Jr, Linares
    18.Crawford: Gamboa, Khan
    19.Nietes: Sosa, Ioka
    20.Yamanaka: Darchinyan
     
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  12. CST80

    CST80 Liminal Space Autochthon Staff Member

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    If you move Sexy Sergio and Wlad into the top 10, that list would be perfect.
     
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  13. KeedCubano

    KeedCubano Read my posts in a Jamaican accent Full Member

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    More skilled. Who did he beat?
     
  14. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Gary Russell Jr was faster than anybody that ever landed on Canelo, and it`s the way Loma beat him, he dominated, he dominates all his fights now far more than Canelo does, who relies much more on covering up throwing far less leads (now) and countering, I don`t think Canelo was that convincing v Kov, not many shots were landed before the impressive KO, Loma is far more creative offensively and uses a probing lead like nobody else, he is something special, while Canelo is far more beatable despite being very good in his own right.
     
  15. tinman

    tinman VIP Member Full Member

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    He didn't lay the belt down at the feet of his mandatory. That among many other things, disqualifies Canelo from ATG status.