Picture of Sonny Liston and Rocky Marciano

Williams was a 20 years old late substitute for the Satterfield fight.
Silly comparison ,just how silly and naive I'll now prove to you!
Ted Lowry went the distance twice with Marciano without being floored, or put in trouble in fact it was Marciano who looked ready to go in their first fight.
Harry Mathews all 179lbs of him kod Lowry in 5rounds!

So,according to your logic Mathews hit harder than Marciano!
Cokkell went 9 rds with Marciano, how long did he last with Valdes ?Try 3 rounds ,and little later 2 rds with Lave
Art Henri went 9 rds with Marciano yet only 2 with Mathews before being kod, only 4 with Moore,only 5 with Beshore,2 with Mitchell and 2 with Salter.Did all these hit harder than Marciano a ridiculously spurious argument the absurdity of which you should be only to aware of,and if you aren't, you damn well should be!

Silly,silly,silly!
ps The fact that DeJohn was beaten twice by Moore and dropped by Satterfield is totally irrelevant to how much power he possessed! This applies equally to Valdes being beaten by Johnson and Baker, it has no bearing on how hard they hit!
You don't know how Liston would react to a real puncher?
Liston said Williams hit him harder than anyone and had as much power as himself.Terrell called Williams," a monster puncher".Foreman sparred with him and put him in the same bracket as Liston for power.
Chuvalo said DeJohn hit him harder than anyone.
Williams has 60 kos in 80 wins to state he wasn't ."a real puncher ,"is patently absurd!

 

You are again wrong!
1.Satterfield was sparing partner of Marciano and It was mentioned in movie also!Boba Baker and Simmons were Marciano sparing partner also!
2.Charles fought and kick Liston ass in sparing which Liston menager also confirmed!Charles used Liston as sparing partner before fight with Satterfield!
3."Rocky Marciano is the hardest puncher I ever fought!Whenever he hit you, wherever he hit you, he hurt you.”—Keene Simmons on Rocky Marciano in Ring Magazine!
4.He was so washed that he came from 10 fight won via KO???How about that Louis beat washed Baer?
5.Yes.Fighters could say who hit harder you are nothing to dispute their words and feelings about someone punching power!Archie Moore said that because he was angry but in his few last Interviews he said that Marciano is hardest puncher and strongest man he ever fought! He said:
"to fight Rocky is like getting into a helicopter propeller"
6.Marciano beat old man??What about Ali beating Archie Moore 6 years later,beating washed Williams,beating washed Folley...Charles was not old and Wallcott was at his best which he proved going 13 rounds!What about Tyson beating 38 years Larry Holmes?
7.You are wrong!KO percentage shows us who punch harder!Everyone stated that Shavers was harder puncher than Foreman and KO percentage proves that!If Simmons said that Rocky is harder than Williams and you look at KO ratio you will know that size dosen't mean anything in boxing!smaller fighters have more problem with their size fighter than bigger fighter!Liston knocked big Williams but Machen and Martin gave him helluva fight and they were same size as him!
8.Williams was 20 years old but you didn't mentioned that Satterfield was washed and had more losses than wins 10 fights before their!
20 men survived the distance with Cleveland williams, and a good number of them in 10 round fights. Aside from Terrell ( who beat him in the rematch ) who did Williams KO that was any good ?

 

Where are the primary sources for these quotes.

Here is Simmons quote.
Simmons, who became a sparring partner for Marciano when the latter became world champion, said of the Brockton Blockbuster, "Whenever he hit you, wherever he hit you, he hurt you.” No mention of ,"he was the hardest puncher I ever fought."
To illustrate what you know about boxing I will repeat one of your statements.

"size dosen't mean anything in boxing" .If this is so why are their separate weight classes?
Louis was washed up when he fought Marciano its just undeniable.
Satterfield was washed up at 29 years old yet he would go on to beat;
Summerlin no7
Valdes number 1 contender
Holman no4
And he would be ranked in the following years after beating Williams.
1954 no9
1955no8
1956 no6
How do you explain this?

 

If Louis was washed how he came winning 10 fight before?
Quarry who was small destroyed Shavers,Foster and Lyle!Weight dosen't mean anything!It's only about fighter
Yes he said Marciano is the hardest puncher!Why you didn't quote all thing Simmons said?Because you hate Rocky so much that's why!
He fools you,” said Simmons. “When you look at him from outside the ring he seems easy to hit but if you’re in the ring with him you find this isn’t the case. His head is bobbing and he’s crouched low, so low in fact that you can’t get a clear shot at him.” Not to mention that he was on you like a stage-door Johnny on a chorus girl. “I had a bad weakness I kept hid throughout my career,” said Joe Louis. “I didn’t like to be crowded, and Marciano always crowded his opponents. That’s why I say I could never have beaten him.”

 

I think the ATG myth of Cleveland Williams is not believed anymore.

 

I don't think the other guys I argue furiously with, Chok, Lach Buster,and Gazelle Punch are bigots, just rabid fan boys.

 

Nobody here has called him an ATG or suggested he ko'd ATG's
Neither by the way did Ron Lyle ,Mac Foster, or Earnie Shavers,but nobody is suggesting they were not extremely hard punchers.
To take this to its extreme . Do you think Butterbean was a very hard puncher? Yes or No?

 

Show me the part where Simmons said Marciano was the hardest puncher he ever met.
I'm still waiting for your verified sources.Oh and Louis never said,the underlined.

Louis said Marciano was just a street fighter,source his autoibigraphy.
Now ,will you answer my question about Satterfield beating ranked contenders and being ranked in 3 years after he fought Williams or will you ignore it again?
You're just repeating fairy tales you've read in comics fella!

 

I would expect a good sparring match with no one going down.

 

No one considers Cleveland Williams great but he is still overrated. He had the look but was not the most skilled or most durable by a country mile. He went 1-1 vs. Terrell. Terrell improved after his loss to Williams and won the rematch. He had a draw with Machen. What else did he do? He never got past the 3rd round vs. Bob Satterfield (Satterfield weighed 180 Lbs.), Liston (KO3 and KO2), or Ali KO3. He was also stopped 4 other times by far from great fighters. He looked good beating up guys who never had a chance.

 

This is the standard anti-Williams speech and as usual it leaves out fundamental facts. He lost to Satterfield when he was just 20 years old and stepped in on two days' notice to face a world-famous ko artist. It wasn't until 15 years later that he was stopped again by an opponent who was not a prime ATG, and by that time he was not only old but had suffered permanent nerve and kidney damage from a near-fatal gunshot wound. This is not the record of a fighter who lacked durability.

The only other blot on his record in all that time is the second Terrell fight - a split decision which could as easily have gone the other way and was scored for Williams by the Associated Press - against an opponent who was the most successful heavyweight of the mid-60s other than Ali. Not bad for a man with no skill.

 

I resent that.

 

No, you resemble it!

 

I think Butterbean was of no threat to world class fighters. And neither was Williams.

 

... Serious question. Did you even watch the fight?