I get so tired of this Tua punches so hard bull****. Where are all his KOs vs. Contenders or champs and throw out ruiz a bum. Frazier punched harder better and more often. Stick Tua back up your ass McVey and run away again *****. **** you!!!!
Oscar would treat Tua the same way he did Chuvalo...and get a decision. Tua basically had no guts or heart,...as proven vs Lewis.
It's your contention that you need kos over champs or contenders be be considered a big puncher? Is that correct? In 52 wins Tua ko'd 43 of his opponents for a near73% ko record. Since you made this statement below. The Morlocks said: ↑ Marciano pounds on Tucker then 1 punch KOs him in 7. Tucker was just a lazy fighter. Unlike Tyson, Marciano doesnt settle. KO!!!!!! To which I replied the following below. So Tucker couldn't do as well as fat Cokkell who went 9rds, and punchless Lastarza who went 11 rds? With no further response from you,why would I GAF about your opinion? I'd have to be as illogically stupid as you !
Really depends on tua honestly. The one who was actually in shape and tearing heads off with his aggressive high paced style (Ruiz fight and war with Ibeabuchi) would outland Bonavena and take a clear decision or possibly late round tko. I consider this prime tua at around 225 when he actually let his hands go and was a balls to the wall crowd pleasing slugger with tons of stamina. The next stage of tua's career he got very flabby, slow, and became more of a stalk and load up for one big shot type of guy. Bonavena eats this tua alive. Bonavena cannot be taken out with just one big hit, you have to use a sharp sneaky counter after laying it on him all night. This version of tua was anything but sharp and could get lethargic and outboxed (see Lewis or even Rahman before the cheap shot). Bonavena is a better boxer than people give him credit for and knew how to win rounds and make his opponent fight at his pace. If tua got nailed hard he would go into his shell and lose rounds. Last version of tua is simply a slow lumbering behemoth at 240+ and all he had left was power and a chin. Basically from what i remember Bonavena is always game, in shape, aggressive, and consistent throughout his career whereas tua's performances are like a roller coaster. Very hot and cold with some good wins, some mediocre wins, and some horrible losses.
Unless otherwise stated its the best version of each man,in this case Tua of the Ruiz fight v Bonavena of the first Frazier fight. It should perhaps be remembered that Bonavena had 24 fights under his belt to Frazier's 11 when they first met. To put it in perspective Bonavena's 12 fight was against Rogelio Gregorutti whose record was 1-4-0.
I actually think tuas best performance was the ike fight. Ruiz didn't offer much resistance he landed like what, 3 punches before being brutally stopped? My point was Bonavena is both more well rounded and consistent even in his losses. You have to cherry pick with tua to make him look good, which means Bonavena is the better fighter. Who wins is a different discussion but it helps Bonavena. People are obsessed with tua's power and "overwhelming" force but that isn't always "reality" in his actual fights. And as I stated before no boxer is koing Bonavena with one big shot, even a counter shot. He was like a damn cinder block. Tua is also tough as hell (physically but not mentally) so it would inevitably become a phone booth brawl like a bull in a china shop. The guy with the better technique and gas tank would logically have to be favored. You cant really get a feel on how good tua's gas tank or technique are in a fight like Ruiz.
I'm not disagreeing with you just abiding by the criteria the OP laid down.ps Ali floored Oscar the times with left hooks. 1.What was Tua's money punch? 2.Who hit harder Ali or Tua?
Right before Muhammad Ali refused to step forward to be inducted into the U S Army, He had signed a contract to defend his title against Oscar Bonavena, on May 27 1967, in Tokyo, Japan. That fight did not materialize of course, because Ali did not take the step forward to be inducted, the rest is history. I wonder what that fight would have looked like at that time. Ali did stop Oscar on Dec 7 1970, in round 15.
It's not that simple. Buster Douglas rocked and floored Tyson with uppercuts and Ruddock couldn't and we know Ruddock is a harder puncher than Douglas. Tim Bradley dropped Brandon Rios but Pacquiao couldn't and we know Pacquiao hits way harder. Strategy plays a huge role when the stats, size, and styles of each fighter are this close Ali did not put Bonavena to sleep the 3 knockdown rule was in effect and it was a 15th round stoppage. He simply didn't have time to recover and Ali laid it on him. Tua never went 15. Also, Ali used a very sneaky feint to setup the first knockdown. Tua couldn't feint like Ali in his dreams.
Oscar was apparently a crazy dude outside the ring. What I’m about to say is all heresay but I spoke to someone who said he and some guys partied with Oscar in his hotel room the very NIGHT BEFORE he fought Frazier for the title. Bonavena and the boys were up late drinking and doing cocaine and Oscar even had some female visitors.. if any of this is true then I don’t know how the hell he managed to drag his ass fifteen rounds against The best heavyweight in the world just 24 hours later.
Bonavena was floored by punchers not in Tua's league for power. Folley and Ellis He wasn't what you'd call elusive so he is getting hit here.Tua is bigger, stronger, had a better chin ,and more power.So,why would I pick Oscar?
So Tua is elusive now? Why are you being disingenuous and saying things that apply to both fighters? Bonavena is actually a half an inch taller with a 3' reach advantage. They are 20 lbs apart but Bonavena was training for 15 and discouraged from using weights while Tua was encouraged to use weights and only trained for 12. Quite a stretch to say Tua was "bigger" especially since Tus would frequently show up flabby north of 220. Only thing i agree with is Tua had more power in his left hook. Id say they're fairly even overall. Tua has a slight advantage in chin, Oscar has better stamina, ring IQ, body punching, and technique. That's more than enough to make it a close fight. I'm not suggesting Bonavena wins easily but to suggest the opposite is a little puzzling. Tua found a way to lose when he was in deep waters and even when he was trying, his punch output (or lack thereof) got him in trouble as he would be content to stalk and gamble on one big shot.
