That ."great trainer," said Andre Ward was ordinary,then "ordinary ,"Ward stopped Kovalev the man whom he was in the corner rinsing out his mouthpiece for.Now watch Turner get defensive. This content is protected
yeah, I accept that he’s entitled to those views. Why not? The guy is a respected pro. It is not unreasonable. Call up Tommy Gallagher. He shares most of Dons views on Marciano. no I don’t dismiss Steward at all. He’s entitled to his opinion. Steward respected Marciano as an inspirational figure. The real deal. He picks his own fighter over him, and that is not unreasonable. Yeah and he’s entitled to say they are bull****. Pads are just an aid. They have their place. And limitations. Like skipping. There are a lot of useless pad routines that benefit the coach more than the fighter. And there are some superb routines that are great for beginners. Beyond a certain stage though Pad work can be replaced with other routines. I think It’s okay for any trainer to say any particular exercise is bull**** if he’s been doing it as long as Turner has. Outside of Sparring and Roadwork not one routine is especially more important than another.
The guy knows what he’s talking about. When it comes to Rocky, people need to talk to guys around now who can see the difference in the gyms from that era.
You still dont get it do you Vitali had a higher ko ratio than rocky at one point also When wilder retires thats when the number counts and is cemented
Unconventional. But He will compensate with something else. Goes with what I am saying. Pads can be replaced too. Nice to agree with you.
Marciano for the most part wasn't beating what we now call heavyweights. Marciano has wins over 27 guys under 190lbs,17 over guys 185lbs or under.
But he was fighting more guys heavier than he was. That’s good isn’t it? Why don’t You want to penalise someone who fights guys who are always smaller than; they are? what about Lewis? His best wins are over older, past their prime opponents like Holyfield or Tyson. I don´t see people critizising this very often - apart from some Tyson fans. Why is that? I think when it comes to Marciano people just tend to see only negatives everywhere. Why is that? his record of 49-0 wasn´t that special why wasn´t it equalized by anyone? Holmes nearly got it but got beaten by a blown up lhw. Well, Marciano beat his "blown up lhws" up and both were much, much better hws than Spinks. Alone the fact that no other hw in any other era was able to repeat his feat of going 49-0 makes it big. Marciano was a small hw, he could never have competed with the big hws from the 60s/70s on. Yes, very likely that he could have lost to someone like Ali, Holmes or Lewis. But again, does it matter? Do you people rank fighters on some fantasy matches? Or do you rank them on what they actually did? Well, Marciano was small. Most of the fighters he beat were bigger than him. Marciano made an advantage out of his size. He was the hw that mastered fighting small to perfection. He made himself even smaller than he was to avoid the punches of his opponents, to make them punch down and thus taking away some of their snap and precision, making their punches longer and easier to see. I don´t see how this could lower his standing amongst the atgs. It should enhance it. When people talk about Fitz, Greb, Armstrong and so on they are astonished about their feat of beating bigger guys. When they talk about Rocky, they say he was too small to compete against bigger guys.
Its arguments like this that make you dishonest. He was ten pounds lighter then his opponents on average and his average opponent was over 6ft. How did Big Cat do against his smaller opponents?
I replied to this; "But he was fighting more guys heavier than he was" . Williams has no relevance to this thread. TRUTH is not a word you should be using.
