Vitali Klitchsko vs prime Muhammad Ali

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Who wins and how

  1. VK KO

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  2. VK TKO

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  3. VK UD

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  4. VK SD

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  5. Draw

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  6. Ali KO

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  7. Ali TKO

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  8. Ali UD

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  9. Ali SD

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  1. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    Of course, Ali was overall the better fighter but on the other hand, Ali never fought a giant with the combined size, chin and punching power that Vitali possessed. Plus, Ali wasn't a heavy puncher who Vitali would have to beware of. I pick Ali based on pedigree but I also think Vitali has a real shot at victory here.
     
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  2. Gazelle Punch

    Gazelle Punch Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He would embarrass him.
     
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    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    Kenny Norton, Doug Jones, Jimmy Young, and Ron Lyle, showed us how Ali had trouble with a jab. Vitali had a more active jab, and was much bigger / more durable than the guys who either beat Ali, should have beaten Ali on a fair scorecard, narrowly lost to Ali or were ahead of Ali until getting stopped.

    Ali should have two more losses ( Norton and Young ) on his resume.

    Vitali is above these Ali opponents.
     
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  4. Hookandjab

    Hookandjab Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Vitali by a decision. Not close.
     
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  5. steve1990

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    Ali dominates Klitschko on points.
     
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    Gazelle Punch Boxing Addict Full Member

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    To be fair Ali wasn’t prime for any of those fights you mentioned. He also handled Listons jab extremely well at his best. Old Ali would have struggled w Vitali but the young one kills him.
     
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  7. Dance84

    Dance84 Unicorn and seastar land Full Member

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    Vitali close decision
     
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  8. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    Ali’s speed and workrate is the key here.

    Muhammad W12 Dr. Iron Fist
     
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    THE BLADE 2 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Ali by wide UD. Vitali would look very robotic and clumsy.
     
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    Reinhardt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think the words ,,prime Ali are mentioned,, in a 15 round fight Vitali's face would have knots all over it. He better have plenty of end swell in his corner
     
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    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    Vitalis 'active jab' was only ever on display against non-athletic plodders. What good jabbers did he beat? None.

    The only good jabber he fought beat him. The connect % of Lewis jab was 10% higher than Vitali's. 43%>>32%.

    That jab of a past prime Lewis was slow as molasses compared the the Jab of Ali's. . It also buckled Vitali's legs.

    Ali has been in there against the best jabbers in the divisions history. Norton for one had a much better and more skilled jab than Vitali.

    You're quick to go through Ali's resume , please , go through Vitali's resume and show all the good jabbers he beat.
     
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  12. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Vitali had a great chin , but his power was overated I don't think he hit as hard as Liston,Foreman,or Lyle.
    Ali was outreached by Liston ,Terrell,Bugner,Williams and Norton, and matched by Foreman, all save Foreman had longer reaches than Vitali .
    Speed kills and I see Ali's durability, speed ,and mobility taking him to a decision here.
     
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    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    He often looked that against far less speedy and gifted opponents.
     
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    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Ali is above Byrd and Lewis and fought and beat a calibre of opponent far better than Vitali ever shared a ring with!
     
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    Tramell Hypocrites Love to Pray & Be Seen. Mathew 6:5 Full Member

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    2 Alis for me 1 is pre1970 the other is post 1970.
    Pre 1970 Ali who last fought Williams and stuck n move? Head movements? feints, body shots, lighting jab that slashed faces? Threw punches in bunches while moving?
    He wins by horrific bloodletting.

    Ali post 1970 probably dies in the ring against any era of Vitali.
     
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