He was 8 days short of his birthday. How you got that wrong when I literally listed the dates is beyond me. McVey got the ages correct but you tried to distort the facts (and no it was not a mistake) and made it seem like he was older than he actually was to insinuate he was not green thinking nobody would check. Not on my watch you don't. You are beginning to make your fellow Marciano Arse Licker Choklab look honest.
These insults do you no favours. The bottom line is You guys reject the greatness of Marciano whilst swooning over the feeble merits of Cleveland Williams. A crazy logic that can’t add up. Don’t you think it is dishonest to say Rex Layne was a 4 round bum?
All I've said about Williams is he was a very hard puncher and you deny this which is just stupid.The fact that Satterfield ko'd a 20 years old Williams has absolutuley no relevance to Williams own power! Furthermore is there anyone on this board who doesnt think Satterfiedl was a huge puncher? Layne got beat by a light heavy and drew with others in the period when you said he was koing everyone. HE WASNT! In his 35 fights prior to Marciano, Layne was. Taken the distance by Kahut 179lbs Hall 178lbs Whitlock176lbs Butcher182lbs Held to a draw by Whitlock Walker16-7-6 Hall 16-7-4 Lost to Whitlock 176lbs In his first 35 fights Layne fought 9 lightheavyweights In his career total of 94 fights Williams fought 5 Lightheavies NB Satterfield was a ranked top ten fighter when he ko'd Williams . None of those who drew or beat Layne during that period were ranked EVER! Now can we forget about Williams and concentrate on Rex Layne and his famous victories? His excellent win over Walcott. His debateable one over Brion . His robbery one over Charles who also beat him twice. I wont even go to his record post Marciano!
How many of them were ranked when Shavers kod them? Just to be absolutely clear Are you saying Williams,Shavers,Lyle,Foster and you can add Ruddock,Morrison,& Gomez if you want, are not big punchers because they do not have current ranked contenders on their list of ko victims?
At 21 years of age at 17-0, after just 10 months as a pro fighter, Rex Layne was matched against a 27-3 seven pounds lighter Dave Whitlock. Rex lost on points. But had already beat Dave, and would do again. At the 20-0 stage of his career 19 years old Williams was matched against thirteen pound lighter 1-0 Graveyard Walters. a mysterious character who’s last (and only previous) opponent was called “The Panther” (0-0). Predictably Williams won. At the 33-1 stage if his career the 20 year old Williams is matched against 30 year old 33-16-2 Bob Satterfeild who is twenty five pounds the lighter man and much shorter. Williams is demolished within three rounds. At the 25-1 stage of his Career Rex Layne, still only 22 years old, is matched against Jersey Joe Walcott, recent title challenger and future champion who is on a 5-0 win streak. Rex wins on points.
Except Layne never had a 25-1 stage of his career - when he fought Walcott he was 25-1-2, having drawn both his last two bouts against journeyman opposition, most recently Andy Walker. As the San Francisco Chronicle described it: In a fight notable for its lack of grace on the part of both contestants, boxing returned to Winterland last night as Rex Layne of Salt Lake and Andy Walker of San Francisco, heavyweights, fought 10 bruising, mauling rounds that officially ended in a draw. A crowd which paid some $9049 gross voiced its displeasure at the verdict and rightfully so. Walker, a slight underdog in the betting, gave Layne a good pasting in the last two rounds and looked all over a winner at the finish. However, the three officials were looking in three different directions. Judge Jack Downey had Layne in front, Judge Toby Irwin saw it as a draw and Referee Ray Flores gave it to Walker by 58-52. On our card, Walker was trailing narrowly at the end of eight rounds but those two big frames gave him a three-point edge. Layne finished with a gashed left eyebrow and seemed to be in real trouble in the tenth. Had the fight gone another two rounds he might not have lasted. No wonder people thought Layne was the second coming of Jack Dempsey.
So Layne beat a 176lbs journeyman 2 out of 3 ? Well whoop de doo! Satterfield was top ten ranked fighter spot the difference?
Oh that’s right Walcott on a 5-0 streak is a lower opposition than Bob Satterfeild 2-2 in his last Four? What makes you think Walcott wasn’t rated - he’d just knocked out Harold Johnson, Agramante, Shkor And had defeated a giant swede in Europe.
I never mentioned any of those you have named I was referring to Layne's pre Marciano fights which I stipulated in an earlier post. Satterfield had lost 2 of his last 7 fights a split dec to Doc Williams and a stoppage loss to Charles and, as I said he was a top ten ranked fighter when he beat Williams.None of those who beat or drew with Layne, pre Marciano were ever ranked .But you keep howling in the dark.I have to shower and go to my jazz gig.
But Layne is a four round fighter and Williams is an ATG puncher this can’t be so. Truth is it’s anything to take down marciano...anything. They have to take down ALL his opponents several notches. Meanwhile in other threads praise the likes of lesser fighters. I’ll never understand the blind hatred . Some have very valid points as to the negatives of Marcianos record and that’s fine no fighter is perfect but the marbles on some of these guys. Marciano is lacking as far as quantity of quality prime opponents but the good ones he did face he demolished and the quality older ones he also demolished in prime. This fact can’t be accepted soooo ALL his opponents must be micro analyzed as if any blemish on their personal records is a sign that Marciano was an overrated club fighter. Clinging to straws at its finest and extreme dishonesty considering no fighter on this forum is held to such standards. Only two HWs pass that test and their names are Louis and Ali and no one puts Marciano above them as far as accomplishments go.
