the last 10 post by you have been inaccuracies going off boxrec and telling me Satterfield was 6'2 until I posted a picture- then crickets on that issue but a bait and switch question LOL - as far as Williams age he was a week short of 21 so I was wrong I went off memory but that wasn't the point- the point was he had 34 fights and got KO'd for several minutes - I posted the article- should I post it again? He was KO'd by a 5'10 178 lbs light heavyweight - and at that point in time he had 34 pro fights 33-1 so several is a long time but that's really not the point- In the pro ring Big Cat never proved he was a puncher of the magnitude expressed often on ESB may He RIP but I rest my case
You posted a picture .Does that tell us how tall Satterfield was? No it doesnt and ,until some one comes up with a more definitve height for Satterfield, I'll go with Box Recs 6'2" Not that I give a **** either way! Yes post it again because you've now said he was unconscious for 10 minutes 5 times in recent memory ,and we have a contemporay press report stating clearly it was under a minute! A report on a reult featuring a twenty years old 2 day late sub against a top ten ranked heavyweight contender. No amount of spin or obfuscation on your part is ever going to change that fact! And the fact that he was ko'd as mentioned has absolutely nothing to do with his merits as a puncher. The very fact that you keep pursuing this ridiculous line indicates that you are one sandwich short of a pic nic! Williams power has been tesified to by ; Foreman Liston Louis Terrell Machen In 80 wins Williams posted 60 kos. "Williams was an aggressive, two-handed hitter who carried real dynamite in each fist; He was a very powerful hitter who is most famous for his "showdown" battles with Sonny Liston; He may have become Heavyweight Champion had Liston not been around at that time During his career, he defeated such men as Ernie Terrell, Wayne Bethea, John Holman, Omelio Agramonte, Frankie Daniels, Alex Miteff, Alonzo Johnson, Terry Daniels, Roberto Davila, Billy Daniels, Roger Rischer, Bob Albright, Tod Herring, Dick Richardson, "Young" Jack Johnson, Curly Lee Chapman and Sonny Banks Herb Goldman ranked Williams as the #22 All-Time Heavyweight; Cleveland was inducted into the World Boxing Hall of Fame in 1997." Without wishing to be unduly discourteous ,in the face of such endorsements I could not give a flying **** what your opinion of him is!
And yet you cannot name one distorted fact. Williams is not a great fighter. Boxing news did pick Cokkell to win. Rex Layne did beat jersey joe Walcott and Nat Fleischer did talk of him as a future champion. These are the truth. Your whole mantra seems to be: “ I disagree with any defenceof Marciano, therefore you are dishonest, disingenuous and mad”. It is a sad example of the modern way of confusing the right to entitlement of opinion with being entitled to insult somebody with a different view. You don’t have that right. There is no cause for it.
There is no basis for this. Without Liston, Williams still would have lost to Terrell and drew with machen after being knocked out by Satterfeild. It really just is not championship form. It’s as simple as that. Patterson And Johansson would have been favoured to knock Williams out. At least when Ingo went into a championship fight with Patterson he already had crushing knockout wins over Cooper and Machen going for him. Against name fighters Williams has zip. Even A past prime Patterson beat Eddie Machen who Williams only got the draw with. Floyd flattened Charlie Powell, basically a more ambitiously matched clone of Cleveland Williams. I have long said Williams should only be compared with men like Pat Comiskey and Charlie Retzlaf because he simply doesn’t qualify against champions.
Herbert Goldman Ha Ha - Im done- I wasted enough time on this enjoy your Herbert Goldman opinions and picture of Big Cat and have fun
The great and almighty Cleveland Williams had essentially ONE signature win.. His 1962 stoppage of Ernie Terrell who didn’t truly start getting good until maybe 1964.. well of course there was the awesome Wayne Bethea and Terrific Terry Daniels....
All that talk went out the window by Layne's 23rd birthday, once the East Coast heads got a look at Layne. And again, beating a journeyman like Walcott does not put one in exclusive company.
The one thing that unites the anti Marciano guys is that they each swoon over Big Cat Williams in a big way. So any down-talk on Jersey Joe Walcott and Rex Layne needs to be seen from that perspective.
I didnt write it, its from Cyberzone I posted it to show a different point of view to your ownif you disagree with it take it up with them.Floyd and Ingo would not have gone anywhere near Williams. Just as they were steered away from Liston until Floyd disobeying his manager defended against Sonny and got blown away. Williams fought the prime Machen 30 years old in1962 The guy Floyd avoided when he was champion. Floyd fough the version who was having mental health problems 2 years laser. If Patterson was past prime wasn't Machen? He was 3 years older than Floyd! More dishonesty! Cleveland Williams has **** all to do with this thread.It was you fan boys who mentioned him, and keep mentioning him. I'm neither anti Marciano nor pro Williams but I am anti spin doctoring and you do it incessantly and now you have a partner in crime in Bummy who keeps regurgitating Williams was a ko'd for 10 minutes by Satterfield which, not only is untrue it is irrelevant to this thread! Nobody with any sense gives two bob about what you think of Williams, you are notorious for your bias against him,Liston and Foreman .Its a compulsive mantra you repeat ad nauseum! You say Williams lacks names on his resume, how many did he face before he was shot? Layne doesn't lack names he just lacks wins! Apart from the Walcott one and the robbery over Charles WTF has he got to make him something special ? He lost and drew with journeyman, prior to Marciano, and he certainly didn't add to his rep after that fight!
Yep, you nailed it mac. A few on here have a problem with big black powerful heavyweights. Make of that what you will.
