How would a scheduled 12-rounder between Lennox Lewis and Joe Frazier look?

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  1. THE BLADE 2

    THE BLADE 2 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It all depends on the referee you know.
     
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    Glass City Cobra H2H Burger King

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    True, if lennox is docked points for holding this could actually be an interesting fight. Frazier is obviously better on the inside but on the other hand, Lennox won't simply stand there and accept his predicament he'll fight back or attempt to get back into his preferred range.

    I think it would be a little similar to Ali vs Frazier 2, except by round 5 or so Lennox is forced to change strategies depending on the ref. Lennox was ridiculously cautious with tua and a shopworn Tyson but you can't blame him since it worked after all. If forced to open up, he'd land some brutal shots on Frazier but the flip side to this is if frazier gets past those powerful swings he can batter lennox's round belly or counter with hooks and overhand rights. It would be quite the nail biter.

    Im leaning toward Lennox by tko in rounds 8-10, again depending on the ref. A cautious ref will wave it off after 2 knock downs (especially in the same round) and I think Lennox inevitably drops frazier by that point, if not sooner.

    What's interesting is both men were very hard to win decisions over so if somehow it went to the cards we could end up with controversey.
     
  3. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Frazier`s weight was similar to Wilder`s weight v Fury, Lewis wouldn`t be able to take the hook that floored Ali in the final round of TFOTC and those hooks would just keep coming plus Frazier`s head movement was far better than Tua`s.
     
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  4. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Lewis`s jab alone wouldn`t keep the relentless Frazier off and every right hand would be followed by a counter hook, Lewis`s head was stationary after he punched and that`s when Frazier would nail him.
     
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  5. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Ali was hurt by Frazier and dropped in the 15th of their first clash and Ali had a far better chin than Lewis.
     
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    PernellSweetPea Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I don't think Fraziers lasts into the 15th to drop Lennox. That right hand of Lennox really would hurt Frazier.. He was too small. I am not talking p4p just actual size.
     
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    PernellSweetPea Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    That any man over 200 pounds thing is just a saying. A man who can punch like Lennox who is 246 will knock the heck out of a guy who is 209. How well did Frazier do against Foreman who could punch. People cannot say Ali's right was like Lennox right.
     
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    RockyJim Boxing Addict Full Member

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    "Ouch!!!"
     
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    he grant Historian/Film Maker

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    Lennox was not only so much bigger but he was also a great fighter .. I love Joe but Lennox I feel was too big and too good ..
     
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    Bad match up for Lennox Lewis lol
    BF24 goes troll mode again.

    Frazier needs a picture perfect hook on the bottom to make things close.
    Lewis can box or use his power, either way.
    Frazier“s whole H2H eval. goes by ONE WIN over an arrogant, layoff Ali with no gas at the end. Apart from that, hes 0-4 against fighters Lewis lvl.
    His title run? If we add all of them up, we might get a LL? Not sure....

    Now its getting funny :lol:
     
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  11. Flash24

    Flash24 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    How many punches did Frazier land on Foreman clean? Not many if any, so to use Foreman as some example is wrong, plus, what Foreman did, and the way he fought is completely different from the way Lewis fought... As I said in the other post the way Frazier fought " his style " was al wrong for Lewis, not Foreman whom I didn't mention at all...... I also noted Ali didn't hit as hard as Lewis, so you mentioning that is just a regurgitation of what I already had acknowledged.
    My point was Frazier made Ali, the fastest heavyweight in history miss the majority of his jabs and right hands. I don't see any reason for hin not to make the much slower Lewis miss even more. Frazier was able to counter Ali, Ellis and Mathis all whom had faster hands than Lewis, consistently, he'd be able to counter Lewis just as effectively, if not more so. The 246 lbs vs 209 lbs man is what it is nonsense, through out the long history of boxing their are too many to count examples of better skilled much smaller men beating the heck out of much larger men, for you to say "if" the "246lbs man hits the 209lbs man " he'd knock him out. Well in my opinion that's which 209lbs man were talking about.
     
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    The few hooks Frazier did land didn't discommode George in the slightest Ali turned Frazier's face into a mass of lumps and bumps, so he was hitting him alright.Lewis would not have to land half as much as Ali to get Joe's attention and when he connects with his right hand Joe is going down . Neither Ali,Ellis,or Mathis had half the power Lewis possessed,Joe could afford to take their shots to get his own home.
    That would not be a smart move against Lennox,imo.
     
  13. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Ali could have hurt Lewis with his right hand and Wilder`s power is savage and he only weighed 212 v Fury, thre`s no way Lewis had a chin like Ali`s, Foreman`s punches would have knocked Lewis out and Frazier hits harder than the massive Fury also.
     
  14. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Look how many punches Ali was throwing at Frazier though, that fight was a war, no way could Lewis have evaded a lot of thenm shots coming his way, he never had to deal wit that punch volume at all.
     
  15. Flash24

    Flash24 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I'm sure your aware( because I've read your post and respect your opinions) Foreman was pushing Frazier off balance the majority of that fight he didn't allow Frazier to set his feet, kept him off balance. Lewis was never that physical. If Lewis fought like Foreman I'd have no problem with your opinion, he was certainly big enough, and seemed strong enough. But he didn't fight that way, Lewis was very cautious and calculating against world class competition.
    I don't see him all of a sudden changing his style
    To face J Frazier. It's more about the way he fought opposed to his ability.
     
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