The golden era of heavyweight boxing

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  1. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    Some recent threads got me asking over which period we most consistently saw high quality title defenses, and high quality fights to establish challengers.

    In this context I define a high quality title defense, as a defense against a well qualified challenger, regardless of the quality of the era.

    The strength of the champion, and how long he held the title is an irrelevance, provided he took on the best challengers.

    Any era where the color bar was drawn, must obviously be viewed as being tainted in this regard, even if the champion was generally defending against strong title challengers.

    My conclusion?

    I am broadly seeing what I am looking for from the mid 1930s, through to the late 1970s, despite a few vacillating champions in that time span.

    That was the golden era of the division!
     
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  2. Gazelle Punch

    Gazelle Punch Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yep...forties were kind of a disaster with ww2 and all. Took awhile for everything to settle. As great as Ali and Frazier were do you think the FOTC would prove to have negative affects on boxing? Due to people being obsessed with being undefeated and possibly meeting another undefeated champ to have a “super fight”? To me the obsession with it and protecting fighters now a days has dramatically hurt boxing. When you can’t get the two best fighters in the ring it causes an extreme disinterest in the sport (Pac and Mayweather or Wilder and AJ for example)
     
  3. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    Best time was clearly from the late 50s (Liston) to the early 2000s
     
  4. Flash24

    Flash24 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Best era in my opinion
    is from 1960 through 2000,
    from that time period there's at
    least 7 fighters that should be
    placed in anyone's top 10-15
    fighters of all time.
    Ali
    Liston,
    Foreman,
    Frazier,
    Holmes,
    Tyson,
    Lewis,
    Holyfield
    Factor in fighters that could have been ATG's like Bowe,
    Norton, Ibeabuchi, Dokes, Page, Witherspoon. and also
    factor in some of the most dangerous punchers in heavyweight
    history, Like Williams, Shavers, Lyle,Bruno, Ruddick and Tua. Some
    of the greatest heavyweight fights happened during this time period.
    Liston vs Williams, Ali vs Frazier 1-3, Ali vs Foreman, Ali vs Norton,
    Holmes vs Norton , Holmes vs Cooney , Tyson vs Ruddick, Tyson vs Holyfield
    Bowe vs Holyfield, 1-3 , Holyfield vs Dokes Foreman vs Lyle, Ali vs Shavers. It
    was a special time for the heavyweights in my opinion, the best time.
     
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  5. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    That is not the criteria here.

    We are talking about eras where the best possible fights got made, regardless of how strong/weak the era was!

    For example the 90s had a lot of very good fighters, but the best fights were not made!
     
  6. Gazelle Punch

    Gazelle Punch Boxing Addict Full Member

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    And even when they did get made they were past prime. We were not given an endless amount of fights because no one wants to take risks.
    Past prime or not at all fights that would have been good
    Bowe v Lewis
    Lewis v Holyfield (prime)
    Tyson v Bowe
    Tyson v Lewis (prime)
    Tyson v Foreman
    Foreman v Lewis
    Foreman v Bowe
    Tua v Wlad
    Tua v Vit
    Lewis v Byrd
    Lewis v Wlad
    Tyson v Tua
    So many missed opportunities for greatness and this is just the 90s!!!!! As much as the 30s-50s gets shitted on there weren’t many fantasy fights you could have imagined in that time period because they all for the most part met at some points in their careers. I’m sure I missed some fantasy fights somewhere
     
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  7. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    The 30s is often taken as a weak era, but pretty much every single title fight of that era, was a very good title fight.

    You were almost always looking at a champion, against a highly ranked challenger!

    Schmeling, Sharkey, Carnera, Baer, and Braddock did not give you a title fight unless you were very good!
     
  8. zadfrak

    zadfrak Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    1975.

    I don't give Ali a get out of jail free card for fighting the likes of Wepner and a Bugner rematch. And nobody was picking Joe for that Thrilla in Manila and thought he was washed up. then the path of least resistance really reared its head.
     
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  9. Tramell

    Tramell Hypocrites Love to Pray & Be Seen. Mathew 6:5 Full Member

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    Tough criteria as I'm in the group that thinks up until the 1960s...Mob had a say so in who fought.

    Today the word went from Mob to promoters working with a single network. HBO or ShowTime fighters. Now PBC, DAZN.

    HW the glory division IMO has always been the weakest. Only a few great mentioned per era, unlike the divisions below HW.
    With that said- I like the 1960s-1990s. Those 3 had hot talent fighters with power & the last generation of HWs that threw a lot of punches.
     
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  10. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    Not a problem in this context, if the mob made the right choices.
    What has that got to do with anything?

    We are talking about eras where the best possible fights got made, not the ones that had the best fighters!
     
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  11. Tramell

    Tramell Hypocrites Love to Pray & Be Seen. Mathew 6:5 Full Member

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    Ok, my bad! It's a long night at work...brain is rebooting. Have to think about it.
     
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  12. CroBox29

    CroBox29 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think it all started with Liston, I do not detract from the successes of the previous champions but Liston fought with Ali and then it all started until the end of the 90s. I have to admit that this current era is also very good...
     
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  13. Curtis Lowe

    Curtis Lowe Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I know most of you are tired of us old guys referencing the 70's. But it most likely was the best era of heavyweight boxing.

    Everyone in the world seemingly knew who the heavyweight champ was in the 70s, regardless of who it was.

    The 70's had 4 dominate champions, with all being top ten all time greats: Frazier, Foreman, Ali and Holmes.

    The 70"s had interesting and competent contenders like Ken Norton, Jerry Quarry, Earnie Shavers, Ron Lyle, Oscar Bonavena, George Chuvalo, Jimmy Young and Gerrie Coetzee.
     
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  14. Seamus

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    Liston to Present.... There were a few, short transitional periods like 75-79 but otherwise we started to have real athletes fighting.
     
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  15. Gazelle Punch

    Gazelle Punch Boxing Addict Full Member

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    “Real athletes”...you mean steroids lol. And they don’t actually fight each other...which is the point of this post.