Wilder v Fury II

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  1. Carl Weathers

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    Agreed he looks very confident in this interview.
     
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  2. Heisenberg

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    Genuine question, does anyone believe that Fury is going to stay close, manhandle and actually fight Wilder for the KO rather than try to herk, jerk and paw his way to a wide decision?
     
  3. EJC83

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    I would go with what went down in the last fight, Fury should be physically better than he was in that one, I don't see how Wilder is going to suddenly become a better boxer, he's fundamentally flawed beyond belief for an elite fighter which that in itself says just how devastating his one punch power is. If you can avoid it connecting cleanly for 12 rounds you beat Wilder, I think this version of Fury can.
     
  4. Hattonmad

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    I have a feeling we'll see a lot more of the southpaw stance from Fury this time and despite the inevitable essay Tony Hayers will write disagreeing with me, I think Tyson is a more hurtful puncher in that stance. After all, he's left handed. I also think he's a lot more open to the straight right in the southpaw stance so it's a dangerous tactic if he uses it.

    Tbh I don't care what he does as long as he gets the W. He's already had an excellent fight with Wilder, threw 330 punches, had many good exchanges and touched the canvass twice. He's entitled to do as he pleases to get the win.

    However, I do honestly see him trying to push Wilder back and hurt him more in this fight. It's a myth that he can't fight on the front foot and hurt opponents. He's had two difficult fights that were easy rematches in which he got the stoppage. People say Wilder figured Fury out but what about Fury figuring Wilder out? The fight ended with Fury punching the head off Wilder and hurting him. Perhaps Fury genuinely believes he can do that better in this fight and get the stoppage.
     
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  5. TonyHayers

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    I don’t and I question why anyone would. I’ve said before that if he avoids getting dropped twice he wins the last fight. So he knows he can win it this time, and I’d say he knows that’s by a long way his best chance.

    People are trying to overrate Fury’s power for some odd reason.
     
  6. nurological

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    No, he always says that and people always take it seriously, or think people take him seriously.
     
  7. TonyHayers

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    If he hadn't been dropped twice last time he wins clearly even if he loses both round where he was dropped.

    I think over time people have come round to the notion that a draw wasn't the terrible robbery some were shrieking about at the time. You lose two rounds 10-8 and land precious little and that's what you risk. But I don't see how this lends itself to the idea that Fury clearly winning rounds means he's not going to be given them.

    Fury wins the two rounds he hit the deck in last time and the cards read 117-111, 118-110 and 115-113 Fury UD. Why do you imagine Fury 'can't see himself thinking he can get a wide decision?' If he hadn't got sloppy last time he'd have got one.
     
  8. Hattonmad

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    Fury relied purely on his boxing ability and reflexes in the first fight. Under Davison, I felt he lacked that old school inside game of dirty boxing and man handling that he possessed under Peter. He doesn't look adonis but he's a 19 stone beast of a man who out hustled Wladimir Klitschko.

    I'm hoping under Sugar Hill he can relinquish that inside game, rough Wilder up, tie him up, lean on him etc and sap that energy. If he can do that, for sure he can take him out late. The gulf in weight is huge and Fury is a fit man.
     
  9. TonyHayers

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    None of that suggests why Fury will think he can't get a wide decision. If he boxes even more conservatively will he think that by avoiding getting dropped he'll win? Would have happened last time.

    I just don't see the leopard changing it's spots here. People have talked about Fury hurting Wilder late on, buckling Wlad and so on. But his stoppage rate is pretty average and the reason a lot of people think he's boring is because of the low output faffing and spoiling that he does a lot more of than stopping opponents.
     
  10. smithshaun

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    Totally agree I have said many times that I believe this is the best way to beat wilder
     
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  11. Heisenberg

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    I agree and I’m currently leaning towards this. The ‘Kronk Style’ of Klitschko was very much a low risk jab, grab and lean on one. I can see Fury adding more of this into his game plan.

    However for all Fury’s heart and recuperative powers, I don’t actually think it takes a great shot to put him on his ass though. I think he goes over quite easily for the giant he is and for that reason I keep swaying back to a 50/50
     
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  12. micker1

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    No point changing anything. Mentally fury should be thinking that he will be fitter and hitting slightly harder because of that. There is no way fury was 100% for the first fight. On the flip side wilder must be thinking that he has worked out the way fury moves and knows he can hurt him. It should be a great fight. My prediction is wilder by ko.
     
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  13. Hattonmad

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    There's more than one way to skin a cat as they say and you don't need one punch to stop an opponent. I'm not predicting a stoppage for Fury but it's not as unlikely as others are making out.
     
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  14. RulesMakeItInteresting

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    Fury will get caught earlier and get stopped. He just doesn't have the arsenal to stop Deontay from hitting him for long. He certainly doesn't have the firepower.

    Wilder in 5, and I'm being generous. Fury is going to get rocked badly. This is Deontay's first claim to ATG, and I see him stopping Joshua as well.
     
  15. Heisenberg

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    A more serious interview than the Gareth Davies one