I hate when ppl use Conn vs Louis to prove that Holmes would beat him

Good points. Another poster mentioned how Louis was overtrained and at the end of a hectic schedule when he fought Billy so you could make a case for it being an excusable off night and shouldnt hold too much water in evaluating how Joe does in other fights.

 

I agree that such comparisons are dangerous.

 

Holmes was a master boxer. So was the 168 pound boxer Conn, yet he not only out boxed Louis, he stunned him.

A better comparison is Schemling for Holmes to win. Larry's speed and accuracy are mostly forgotten these days. He'd land frequently on Louis, and unlike Conn and Walcott had an A plus chin and never took foolish risks in the ring which is how both men were Ko'd in the lead. Yes--I'm fairly certain Walcott was robbed agains Louis in the first fight.

 

I don't think that any of these men are particularly like Holmes.

 

Louis was to robotic to beat a stick and mover like Holmes.

 

You will find shallow arguments like this pop up quite often when favorites come into it. If fighter X did this and that to Y what chance would Y possibly have against Z. We've all seen it before hundreds of times. It gets really embarrassing when a green or over the hill version of Y is used.

 

The greater the fighter, the more persnickety the critique.

 

I dont even understand the basis for this post to be honest. You can use this same argument for hundreds of matchups

 

I might be the biggest Holmes fan here, and even I think Larry would have been TKO'd. In fact, out of all the other heavyweights in their primes head to head I think Louis is the only one who pretty much definitely would have stopped Larry. I don't even see prime Foreman or Tyson doing that (in fact I think Larry would have stopped them both in 12 at the latest).

 

This is a good argument, plus Weaver didn't have quite the heart of a Louis (not many did, of course).

Joe also was waaay better with combinations than Mike.

 

I take this as you've never used the "if Frazier could beat Ali, Tyson would...".

 

If a crude slugger like Shavers could catch Holmes and floor him then Louis could and Shavers was very lethargic while trying to finish Holmes while Louis would fired in sharp combo`s to finish Larry off.

 

Frazier and Tyson were better than anybody Holmes ever beat.

 

His combos were not robotic.