Fury agrees Wilder bigger puncher than, Mike Tyson ,Rocky Marciano

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  1. Dance84

    Dance84 Unicorn and seastar land Full Member

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    Thoughts ? How does wilders power compare to Mike Tysons or Rocky Marcianos power . Is he a bigger puncher than Mike Tyson or Rocky Marciano

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    Reporter from Yahoo sports : my question is for tyson your former trainer Ben Davison said after he knocked out Luis Ortiz, that he thought he was the biggest puncher in heavyweight history you said you were a boxing historian. Do you agree with that? Do you say he is a bigger puncher than a Mike Tyson or Rocky Marciano somebody like that .

    Fury : you know great question and the answer to that would be numbers don't tell lies this mans knockout ratios alone say hes the greatest puncher in history in the heavy weight division.
     
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  2. TipNom

    TipNom Active Member Full Member

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    Of course he'd say that as Wilder being the biggest puncher in heavyweight history, would make him recovering so quickly from the 12th round knockdown seem even more impressive
     
  3. Glass City Cobra

    Glass City Cobra H2H Burger King Full Member

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    I think only someone who has never heard of Wilder, never seen him fight, or simply hates him would actually believe Rocky Marciano is the harder puncher. At close range, sure, Marciano gets better leverage with his short arms and low center of gravity and he'd be the more effective puncher no doubt. But in terms of who hits harder "overall"...? That's not even debatable. Rocky made up for his lack of finesse and reach by being a relentless workhorse who pounded away round after round until his opponent simply lost the will to continue or got ground down. Rocky did have some impressive single shot KO's but many of these were in the later rounds. And although he was often the shorter man, he was also often the younger man too (many of his best opponents were past their physical prime and/or had long careers with wear and tear).

    Wilder is a true one hitter quitter. He uses his long arms like a stretched rubber band with a bowling ball at one end. He gets so much snap and velocity with his lanky frame and strong back and shoulders it's not even funny. He has very underrated timing and a good sense of distance too, his knockouts over brezeale and ortiz 2 were just brilliant. Say what you want about his resume and technique, but Wilder knows how to knock people out, period. And he is easily top 5 in history when it comes to just that specific area of discussion.

    As for Mike Tyson, it gets a little bit trickier. His speed and technique were way ahead of both Rocky and Wilder. We know force=mass x speed so if you have good form, good technique on top of having incredible hand speed the power sort of creates itself. If you watch Tyson's ko's very closely you'll notice he is not a bludgeoning type like a rocky or foreman, he has scary "explosive" snap and "follow through"--his arms continue to move with photo worthy accuracy and superb technique even as the opponent is getting rocked or collapsing. And he does so without losing balance wasting movement.

    Tyson's punching philosophy of going "through" a target is similar to karate practitioners who practice smashing through boards or bricks. Interestingly, fitness coaches and yoga instructors teach the same concept when they are encouraging people to stretch. For instance, when they want you to touch your toes they say "reach toward the wall beyond your feet". What this does is subconsciously tricks the first into bracing itself and ignoring any obstacles in the way until it reaches its target (while also removing fear and doubts in your own mind with practice).

    If You just watch Tyson practice on the heavy bag it is literally explosive, like gun fire. It sends ripples and makes loud noises because of the shockwaves generated by his combination of speed, timing, weight transfer, and explosiveness:

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    What you'll notice in this clip is Tyson's not only going low for the first 4 punches (which encourages the opponent to drop their guard to protect the body and leaves them open for the 5th punch upstairs), he times the punches so that it is virtually impossible to block every single one of them. Speed kills, but without good timing and accuracy it is easily nullified.

    Im taking way too long to get to the point, which is, i believe wilder's right hand has more raw force than any single punch Tyson and rocky had, but Tyson is the far better puncher overall than either of them due to his superb speed, timing, and accuracy while also being the better combination puncher. His head movement and defense were like the oroboros or infinite symbol, offense becomes defense becomes offense and it only added even more power to his punches when he dipped and leaned to one side and built up potential energy on that side. Tyson's most dangerous attribute on top of all that was his throwing sharp accurate counters from the opponents blind spot. The one you don't see coming will often hurt the most.
     
  4. BUDW

    BUDW Boxing Addict Full Member

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  5. gdm

    gdm Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Glass jawed brit survived wilder that’s why he’s praising wilders power, I don’t think he would have survived prime mike tyson.
     
  6. Tramell

    Tramell Hypocrites Love to Pray & Be Seen. Mathew 6:5 Full Member

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    Well said.
     
  7. Camaris

    Camaris Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Well, thanks for stopping by the Boxing Forum - the home of opinions - to tell everyone that opinions are worthless. :)
     
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  8. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Hardest ever? Not imo but it's arguable. Harder than those two? Yeah, I don't see why not.
     
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  9. macademics

    macademics Active Member Full Member

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    Which granite chin has Wilder cracked? Until he obliterates an iron chin, no one can put that label on Wilder.

    And Wilder's first 31st opponents were ranked under 130 in the BoxRec rankings, so his resume don't mean **** until he beats consistent elite fighters. Fury is praising him just to make himself look like a better fighter.
     
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  10. Hanz Cholo

    Hanz Cholo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    What would he know unless he has fought all 3?
     
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  11. Heavy_Hitter

    Heavy_Hitter Boxing Addict Full Member

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    So, the biggest puncher in history only KOed 1 top ten opponent in his entire career and he was 55 years old.
     
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  12. Boxing2019

    Boxing2019 If you want peace, prepare war. Full Member

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    Wilder never fought a fighter who presses him from the beginning...except Fury
     
  13. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon. Full Member

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    Well, he'd be the one to know, after all he fought them all.
     
  14. Eggman

    Eggman "The cream of the crop! Nobody does it better! Full Member

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    come on man the only thing breazelle has going for him was a granite chin an power. That was a shocking knockout.

    he landed next to nothing on fury but the meaningful shots he landed nearly sent tyson into another dimension

    he has insane power
     
  15. macademics

    macademics Active Member Full Member

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    Breazeale has been wobbled several times in previous fights, so you can't really use him as a measuring stick. He looked dejected when he faced off with Wilder, he was already mentally broken.

    Until Wilder beats top level guys consistently, you cant throw that label on him. Let me ask you something - how would AJ have fared against every one of Wilders opponents?