The Perrella/Ramos/Reiss Debacle: How The Hell Can Someone Win By TKO, When The Match Is Over?

You already had my reaction about this in the Kirk league thread, but I thought I post it here too

 

Initially, irrespective of how long was left, I didn't think Reiss was justified in stopping it. When it was called, I figured there must have been a second left. I just rewatched it, you are clearly right, the bell should have rung.

 

Very interesting

Reiss did give him a lot of time after the first knockdown and was dropped almost immediately after they resumed

Kind of reminds me of all the pissed of fans in Andrade vs bute complaining but bute got up and there was no time left

 

Was the fight under "cannot be saved by the bell including the final round" rules?

 

1. Jack Reiss isn't the TIME-keeper of the fight. He's the REFEREE. The time-keeper sitting next to the ring and ringing the bell. It's not the job of Jack Reiss to RING the bell and end the fight. It's his job to seperate the fighters right AFTER the bell rang.

Fact #1: It's not Jack Reiss fault that the time-keeper most likely forgot to ring the bell.

2. It isn't the job of Jack Reiss to make a calculated assessment between "time left on the clock" and "is the fighter able to continue". If so, there wouldn't be stoppages in the last 10-15 seconds of a fight because if a fighter is knocked down with 10 seconds left, he can not NOT beat the count because of simple maths (unless he's completly out and the ref waves it off immediately).

Fact #2: It's not Jack Reiss fault that the time-keeper most likely forgot to ring the bell (Fact #1) and then didn't make the decision to let the fight end reguarly because the fight was ending anyway in the next second.

3. The job of Jack Reiss is to give a honest assessment if a fighter can continue to fight or not. He decided (rightfully) that Perella couldn't continue as he was completly out of his feet and badly hurt. With 5 or 10 seconds more on the clock (Again, Reiss not necessarily knew the fight was basically over) Ramos might have KILLED Perella.

Fact #3: The ref stoppage was ABSOLUTELY fine, just has a bad tasting because of the time-keeper not doing his job correctly. Again, it's not Jack Reiss fault that nobody rang the bell. He's the ref, not the time-keeper.


CALLING OUT Jack Reiss for the fault the time-keeper made is just poor in my opinion. But i'm not overly surprised as you picked Perella in the league and he won the fight and you're pissed so i'm not too mad. But Jack Reiss did as much wrong as he did with Fury in the Wilder fight. NOTHING.

 

And another assumption: If a fighter is knocked down with 5-7 seconds left in the round. And the ref gives him a count but the bell rings to end the round, the ref still has to continue his count as a fighter can not be saved by the BELL.

 

And another ASSUMPTION, my last one: I think the bell didn't ring because the time-keeper knew that the BELL can't save a fighter. So he probably would have rang the bell right after Reiss cleared Perella to continue.

Let's not forget Perella got a very generous 8 count after the first KD. Without that...Ramos had a much better chance to finish Perella even in time with a brutal KO.

 

Every sport that is under a time limit...soccer, basketball, hockey, US football to name a few....have an official time clock that referees can see. But boxing? Oh no, we're in the 18th century here, no need for a clock.

 

I mean, on one hand I get it.. but on the other hand don't basically get KTFO at the end of a fight.

I remember people claiming Bute should have been TKO against Andrade for years in a similar situation. So people gonna get mad either way.

 

Never said the BELL shouldn't have rang, but i tried to explain WHY it didn't ring in the end. I already said the time-keeper did make a mistake - most likely. Maybe he came over from a different commission? Who knows. In the end you can blame the time-keeper, you can blame Perella for being KTFO in last 30 seconds of a fight he was winning easily instead of clinching and moving. But blaming the ref imo isn't fair. Especially with relating to Fury/Wilder which was totally fine btw.

 

I don't think that will happen and i'm glad it won't happen because Ramos earned it with a great approach in R10. A lot of fighters would have just accepted the loss after getting outboxed for the majority of the fight. He went for it. Great warrior!