Deontay Wilder vs Joe Frazier

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  1. ETM

    ETM I thought I did enough to win. Full Member

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    That's a fair point. On the other hand you had guys like George Chuvalo who was one of the most durable heavyweights ever couldnt survive 4 rounds with a prime Frazier. It was more facial damage (eye socket) Chuvalo was a good size 210-5 lbs. Frazier's punch had an effect. I think Joe was the first to ever stop Chuvalo..
     
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  2. sauhund II

    sauhund II Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I WANT CAPS FROM BOXING GURU !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
  3. THE BLADE 2

    THE BLADE 2 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think Wider is overrated on this forum. He never learnt to properly box. He has huge power (arguably Top 3 ATG puncher) but I think the ATGs would expose his lack of fundamentals.
     
  4. MrZazs

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    Very true he is just putting everything on that one punch, skipping everything else I know it has worked SO FAR but that's because He only fighting guys who are old and small.
     
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  5. MrZazs

    MrZazs New Member Full Member

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    I am boxing coach under ABAE not a GURU and this is not rocket science I know when Sh"t stinks
     
  6. heerko koois

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  7. Hannibal Barca

    Hannibal Barca Active Member Full Member

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    Frazier late tko.

    Wilder's power zone is fairly limited to a straight right hand up top. He knocked down Fury in the 9th round with a chopping right, but Fury wasn't seriously hurt. In this matchup, Frazier's 5'10" height (that is effectively shorter due to his bob and weave style) will take away some of Wilder's power.

    It's always possible Frazier gets hit flush by a Wilder bomb early, but he was never knocked out cold or 10 counted, so there is a good chance he would get back up.

    Wilder's problem in this fight is that his lack of volume or an effective jab will not make it difficult for Joe to get inside. Ali's jab, volume and footwork worked for a few rounds in FOTC, but even he could not keep Frazier off of him more than a few rounds, so he relied on clinching in the rematches. Wilder has no jab, volume, or footwork, nor does he clinch.

    The Foreman fights are brought up as analogous to a matchup between Wilder and Frazier. Outside of power, they are not. Foreman had much better footwork, an excellent power jab, and power in either hand. His power could be applied with a jab, hook, or uppercut. The uppercut was a key weapon for Foreman against Frazier, as it is against most swarmers. But perhaps even more importantly, Foreman was able to use his anomalous strength in an unusually direct way for a boxer by shoving Frazier back from short range to mid range with no admonishments from the referee. Wilder lacks punch diversity, is limited to one punch to deliver his power, and does not have the strength or technique to keep Frazier off. And while Wilder's stamina appears solid, it remains an open question how it holds up in 12 rounds against Frazier.

    I would favor Frazier 2/3 times in this matchup. I would expect him to hit the canvass in at least two of these fights. And while I favor a late stoppage slightly, a points decision is nearly equally likely.
     
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  8. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist Full Member

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    Fury went down off a left hook. Ortiz went down off an uppercut. Wilder also can throw a straight right and overhand right with first tier ATG power. Wilder’s legs and range are better than 70s Ali’s. Like I said earlier, Ali was closer to Frazier in size than Wilder.
     
  9. Hannibal Barca

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    You are correct about the overhand right. It is equally dangerous.

    Fury was already going down from a right hand to the back of his head when the left hook landed.

    True, Wilder finished Ortiz off in their first fight with a right uppercut, but Ortiz was virtually out on his feet.
     
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  10. Somali Sanil

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    Not true, go watch him v's Quarry..One trick ponies don't beat the **** out of Ali
     
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  11. George Crowcroft

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    I know how good Frazier was lol. All he had was a left hook, head-movement and an underrated uppercut to the body but he fought at such an unrelenting pace that no one could neutralise him. The only person who did was Ali, and even he had to excessively hold.
     
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  12. Somali Sanil

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    Frazier was blind in one eye, that has to be factored in. Prime Joe always beats a prime Ali also imo, he was bigger stronger in the 70's Ali, who's to say 60's Ali copes, considering he had hard fights against lesser opposition. Fraziers style loses steam quicker than your conventional boxer career length wise , but for a short spell he was unbeatable
     
  13. NoNeck

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    The left hook was really savage. He bounced Fury’s head off the floor.
     
  14. Belfast

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    He bounced jimmy Ellis head off the floor, so you saying Wilder hits harder than Joe
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    Tell me Wilder survives
     
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  15. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Tonight erased any doubts I had of Frazier beating Wilder.