But you have to factor in the quality of those contenders and how they would fare in different decades.
Using just the December Ring rankings for the 50's, out of a possible 100 placings we have 23 taken by men not from the US The current Ring ratings have 6 of the top ten from countries other than the US ,that's just for one month.
Do you think it’s because the sports growing globally or deteriorating in the states? NY for example is not the boxing Mecca it was decades ago. Good luck finding more then a handful of gyms state wide. But that’s just a local thing for all I know it’s grown in the south.
I can't pretend I know the answer ,but I'm sure the emergence of other countries hitherto not known for their boxers is a significantly contributing factor. Plus with the rise of fighters of West Indian origins in the UK, what were predominantly white audiences at boxing arenas when I was going regularly in the 70's,the crowds are now about 50/50 black and white.The success of Bruno, Mason.Lewis, Hide,Joshua and Whyte and the up and comers such as Joyce and Dubois,have given the division a much needed boost in the UK.Prior to the 80's, how many Russian /EasternEuropean heavies were there?
He was knocked out only by 2 people in the 50s. 2 of the hardest punchers of all time in Satterfield and an ATG in Liston. I'd hardly call them fringe oppenents. Yes how could a 1959 Williams ever defeat Terry Daniels?
He constantly brings up Williams when irrelevant to the subject at hand then accuses us of being obsessed with him.
He certainly was. And what exactly was Williams won loss record against current rated fighters of the 1950s? How indeed. Please Name the guys that Williams beat in the 1950s who might have won against Terry Daniels? If you can’t name them then I will at least know that you have decided Daniels was as good a win as any Williams ever had.
More likely people are just having too much fun watching you try to belittle Cleveland Williams by praising a win he scored when he was 38. It's actually kind of surreal.
how do you know? Absolutely! Ruiz really could be something at that weight. It would suit his body. I admire the technique of Ruiz in these pad work outs. But they are just pad work outs. And even within them he’s unloading only in very short bursts with plenty of walking around in-between. Mike Tyson was sustaining his combinations and doing a whole lot more sophisticated repartee without the walking about.
It is interesting that a guy from the 1950s was beating a title challenger of the 1970s at 38. Even rated fighters like Patterson and Henry Cooper first registered in the ratings in the 1950s could score decent wins at the start of the 1970s. If the 1970s were so far ahead of the 1950s how could this happen?
