Lmfao spoken like a true hating casual Pac ducked a prime pbf because of testing period end of discussion. When they did fight pbf beat him going away 118-110 still hurts you to this day. When were pbf and oscar at the same weight class when oscar was prime? Pbf was at 135 or 140 while oscar was at 154 or 147 but let me guess blame pbf? With that said he did fight oscar on his terms at 154 and beat him. Mosely the same as oscar he was at 147 and 154 while pbf was at 140 and 135. They did fight and pbf beat him when mosely was ranked #3 p4p. Cotto while pbf and cotto were at 140 and both were prime and with top rank bob arum wouldnt let cotto within 3 time zones of pbf. When cotto left arum the fight was made funny how that works and pbf beat him at 154. Williams you mean the same williams after beating margo in the very next fight lost to Quintana then had an immediate rematch beat quintana and moved up to 160. When could this fight have happened dummy? But let me guess blame pbf. Casa never tried to fight pbf and was busy losing to frietas and going life and death with chico a guy pbf destroyed. Pbf was already fighting at 135 by then. Thats like me saying loma ducked berchelt at 130 it makes no sense. Zoo these two fought for rival networks zoo was a showtime fighter and pbf was a hbo fighter neither fighter was big enough to warrant a cross network promotion fight. But let me guess? Blame pbf for being a hbo fighter right? Lmfao!! You're a bitter hating casual who has an excuse for everything. You already have a excuse for wilder if he beats fury ffs that shows what kind of no credibility trash poster you really are.
You do make a valid point. But another point, they weren't caught cheating. And those athletes didn't have a choice to cherrypick.
Alot of these guys actually forget that Floyd was the one being avoided. PAC avoided the testing. (Pimp im sure there is a certain video you can post to prove this) Shane had a toothache. Some were just flat out held back from fighting him because he was too dangerous. Saying Floyd avoided all of those fighters is just flat out wrong.
Pac got KTFO by a juiced up Marquez and desperately wanted, almost begged, for a 5th fight w/ Marquez. He even offered to fight Marquez in Mexico. Wanting to run it back w/ a roided monster that's ALSO a stylistic nightmare? That's not the behavior of a ducker. It's the complete opposite of a ducker, actually.
Oscar was in his prime at 147 in the early 2000s. Floyd could have fought him then. Different weight division? Floyd made Juan Manuel Marquez move up from 135 to welterweight (Floyd couldn't even make the catch weight of 145). Floyd made Hatton move up from 140 to 147. Yet Floyd couldn't fight De La Hoya when he was in his prime at 147 and avoided Mosley when he was in his prime at 135, and Floyd's excuse for avoiding Tszyu was that he was in a different weight division at 140. When Trinidad fought at 147 Floyd could have moved up and faced him, just like he made Juan Manuel Marquez move up. But Floyd was afraid of him. Floyd "retired" in 2007 after fighting the smaller Hatton because he was afraid to fight the welterweight contenders, namely Cotto, Mosley, Williams and Margarito.
LMFAO! Once again your lack of boxing knowledge hilarious. PBF could not have fought Oscar when he was at 135 because PBF turned pro in 1996 at 130 dummy Oscar was gone from 135 by that time and at 140. Next time know WTF you're talking about before trying to refute my point. JMM called PBF out because Pac refused to fight him. PBF was wrong and missed the weight but he still beat JMM easily. The problem with you is that you don't know **** about boxing and just repeat bits and pieces of what you heard from other PBF haters. PBF called out Mosley but was ignored because he was seen as too high risk and too low reward. A fight between him and Mosley at 135 would never happen. Mosley had his sights set on Oscar who both came up together. That was the fight to make in boxing not PBF-Mosley at 135 but what else can I expect from a guy who just started following boxing a few years ago. What I said about Zoo was true 100% true. They fought for rival networks you can't simply dismiss it because you don't like it. PBF only fought 3 fights at 140 and by the time PBF got to 140 Zoo was busy quitting on his stool against Hatton. Forrest??? PBF was at 135 in 2002 when he Forrest beat Mosley at 147 stop. JMM called out PBF dummy not the other way around. PBF retired in 2007 because he wanted to. It had nothing to do with Cotto Mosley Williams or Margo 2 of those guys he ended up fighting and beating and the other 2 he'd be the favorite against and if he fought them and beat them you wouldn't give him any credit for beating them just offer excuses anyway just like you don't give him credit for beating Cotto or Mosley. You're so badly misinformed about this whole era that it's not even funny. You really need to up your boxing knowledge before coming at me.
Learn to read properly my man. I said not universally considered an ATG Which he isn’t, there are many who think his record is good but not great because of his opponent manipulation. Just because you don’t agree, that doesn’t negate the fact he’s not considered an ATG by everyone. There you go!
Reading through all these replies just confirms my original statement that FMJ isn’t considered an ATG by many people! In a further answer to Pumpc, there’s no rule that says every era must have an ATG! So maybe there is or isn’t another fighter who’s from that era who makes the list. I think Manny is probably the greatest fighter of that era and he’s a decent man outside of the ring to boot, certainly better in and out of the ring than FMJ Also why is Pimp so triggered by people who don’t rate FMJ as highly as he does? Why get so emotional and throw insults at everyone, it’s not a good look! Calm down, anyone would think you were FMJs dad or FMJ himself!
I know how to read you said that he's not universally accepted an ATG which is ridiculous. Anyone who doesn't is a hater and has an agenda like you do. Like I said before name these other ATGS of his era? You won't do it because it will expose you. There's plenty of ATGs I don't like but I won't say they're not ATGs because of how I feel about them if you can't do that you lack credibility and can't be taken seriously and are a troll.
If they name them then they will quickly realize the PBF has beaten them. LOL. Exposing at its finest.
He's not because of bitter crybaby pussified posters like you who let how they feel personally about a fighter prevent them from being objective when assessing greatness. I'm not a Pac fan but I would never say he's not an ATG. I wasn't a WLAD fan but I would never say he's not an ATG. Do you see how that works? Only a complete hating troll wouldn't consider PBF an ATG he dominated the sport in 3 different decades through 5 weightclasses losing only a handful of rounds in his prime. He was named BWAA fighter of the decade and like I said earlier there's not a fighter who has had this honor who's not considered and ATG dummy. But what else could I expect from a poster with the username The Clan.
