Harry Greb V Robinson,Ketchel,Monzon,Hagler.?

When in doubt pick Greb. But seriously itd probably be an ugly wrestling match. Maybe even a DQ.

 

I actually think it could be a hell of a fight, but I enjoy drama more than aesthetic boxing personally. I don't think Ward has done enough to be ranked ahead of a fighter at that level, but he has since, and he'd keep trying to find a way to win. The edge in size would certainly help. If it's a past prime Greb, I certainly think Ward winning is possible.

 

I'm going to bust some chops here....i don't see ANYONE aside from Maybe that freak Sam Langford defeating Ward at 168. Not Greb, not Calzaghe, not Roy Jones .

 

Maybe, he's really damn good, it takes a lot to get me to pick someone who I don't think has achieved as much though, though Calzaghe probably is that far ahead.
I don't think he could handle power at the level of Langford or Fitzsimmons from the Kovalev fight though.

If he comes back, especially if he can do something at heavyweight, I could for sure rate him higher.

 

Yes it would be a hell of fight, it is said because they did study well the films of greb , they know well

 

Yes, I think it best to disagree when we are comparing men from decades apart and so head to head is basically guesswork. So many variables.

My bottom line, though, is that I really wonder about Tunney. To me, off the record, it appears that Greb in fact was Tunney's toughest opponent. As you have strongly argued, Greb and Tunney seemed to fight on equal terms. In contrast, Tunney dominated Dempsey except for that one brief explosion. It seems to me to be critical that Tunney had more trouble handling the middleweight champion than the heavyweight.

Had Dempsey lost it by 1926 and 1927, or did he possibly never have it. The argument for his stature, and by extrapolation, Tunney's, is his win over Sharkey. But Sharkey would prove unable to win against the puffed up middle, Walker.

So Tunney fights on equal terms with one middle champion, and Sharkey with the other. Revealing.

Other than Greb? Gibbons? Levinsky? Carpentier? Heavyweights Spalla, Weinert, Risko, Heeney? Aging light-heavyweights and second-string heavies.

So I see Tunney fighting the lighter Greb on equal terms as reducing Tunney more than it elevates Greb. A harsh judgment I can easily see many disagreeing with.

As for this discussion, I have a doubt that beating good big men means you also beat good little men. I don't know if this follows as directly as many assume.

"Robinson" "a bridge too far for a guy who got wore out and stopped by light punching octopus Maxim"

The problem with this one is the heat. I can't think of another fight in which the referee collapsed from heat exhaustion and couldn't finish the fight. Maxim might have been light punching but he certainly could take it and so Robinson stopping him would have been a truly immense feat. As for his ability, I would rate Maxim as at least as good and for the most part better than the "big" men Greb fought except of course for Tunney. He was also bigger on the whole, spending most of his career at heavyweight.

Anyway, thanks for the discussion.

 

Andre Ward by UD. He would powerjab Greb all night, and he would be strong enough to wrestle with Greb in the clinches. Greb is fast, but so is Ward who also punches to the body to nullify his opponents speed. Andre Ward's versatility as a fighter is underrated.

No footage of Greb compared to Ward's perfect career on film.

 

btw, I miss Edward's posts .. Such a knowledgeable and cool poster .. Really was level headed and didn't trash people .. What happened with him? I remember he got banned along time ago with a couple others for having a long drawn out Political debate .. I never saw him return ...

.... and I think I pick Greb based on his aggressive, "awkward" style .. Just seemed to difficult for others to figure him out

 

This is kind of an old thread and I haven't gone back to read everything. I think Greb is stronger, busier, and at least as tough (meaning Hagler especially) as anybody on this list. I think he definitely beats Ketchel, Robinson, and Monzon. I give Hagler the best chance. Not much into analysis on this one. I'm going on gut feeling.

 

Greb would beat them all...in the same year.

 

...very objective , I agree with your points