If we're comparing Fury to Pep or Robinson, you're right - he can't compare to them, skill-wise. But is that what it takes for a 270 lbs fighter to be called elite? It's the same as saying, that Mo Farah isn't an elite runner - because he's not as fast as a 100 m sprinter.
NO, don't complicated it, size isn't the point P4P = SKILL vs Skill no matter the size or weight. so, it's easy to discuss, Great Skillful boxers typically beat less skillful boxers and are classification(s) above lesser than average boxers. so FURY Is a great among His Weight Class, but IF you P4P his Skill verses the thousands of True maestros over a 150 years of Boxing, he doesn't come into the same classifications of most of them... it's an elementary equation. Skill levels against skill levels.
If Fury lost to Wallin, I would be the first to tell you that no other fighter in history has fought a 6-6, 235 pound athletic, southpaw, so if Fury loses to Wallin it doesn't mean he'd lose to anybody else that came before him. There are a lot of big, dangerous fighters out there who have a lot of amateur experience at the highest level, some of them might beat Fury. But he won't lose to a Jack Sharkey, or Max Baer, or Joe Walcott. As far as top 10, I couldn't care less who is ranked and where they are ranked. What the editor of The Ring, the sanctioning bodies, etc. think is of no interest to me. If Deontay Wilder fights Hrgovic/Usyk,Yoka/etc. in his next fight and is stopped in 3 rounds, it won't change my opinion of Fury or Wilder, it will just reinforce my opinion that there are a lot of big, strong, talented heavyweights around the world today.
Fury is a very good boxer. He brings some things to the table that pose problems for just about anyone. This all time great consideration is very premature. He hasn't proved he is the best of this era yet. He still has to beat Joshua. When you talk about alltime great he needs to keep winning. Dominate his division
I'm not trying to complicate anything! What I'm saying, is that a 270 lbs fighter can be "elite" - even if he (obviously) can't float across the ring like a Willie Pep. Why is this so hard to understand? Are you seriously saying, that no matter what Fury does in the future, he will never be seen as an elite fighter?
It's because today's generation think if you lose a fight you are rubbish and your career is over, it's ridiculous, both Sugar Rays lost fight, Ali lost, Joe Louis lost so did RJJ and even Lomachenko has an L on his record, its meaningless
Bullshi t. make Robinson or Pep the same weight as Fury and see if they still have the same skills at 270 Ibs as they did in reality. Or if Fury was the same size and weight as them,whos to say he wouldn’t be just as skilful? P4P was created especially to favour and highlight the smaller guys because everyone knew that in reality the heavyweights are the best fighters in the world based on the undeniable fact that they can beat anyone other boxers in the world. If you can beat any other fighter in the world then you are the greatest and best fighter,period! That’s real life and reality not subjective and can never be proven opinions and theories like P4P. H2H is based on reality. P4P is based on fantasy.
It's easy to tear down the achievements of any fighter, particularly when they're active. We see it on this forum every day. Lennox Lewis used to get torn to pieces during his reign, but now the dust has settled and his career is complete, he is generally regarded as a top 5 all-time heavyweight. Ultimately you can't really judge a fighter until his career is over and even for some years afterwards, depending on what previous opponents go on to achieve (or not as the case may be).
Anyone can lose on a given night, so we'll see what happens in the future. It would be good if Tyson Fury stays focused and notches up a few more nice wins, but so far, he's backed up most of the things he's said. People are giving him credit for the Wilder showing and rightly so, imo.
This makes zero sense. Why would not fighting ranked contenders mean anything to you when judging how good someone is? How else would you judge greatness? Fury has potential. Wilder never really did which I’ve stated in previous posts. One trick pony and he got whooped by the first halfway decent guy he met.
He has to beat AJ first which is not a given but congratulations to the Gypsy King on an outstanding performance.
What the hell is this? You are rated in the divisions you fight in not some P4P hypothetical rubbish. Fury is on the way to becoming the dominant HW of his era, he can't do any more. Let's see how his career pans out but I get the feeling we won't have much more data to judge against the ATG's of his division.
