Which other Brit heavies down the years could have finished Wilder in 7 rounds or even less?

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  1. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Terrible choices weren't they.
     
  2. Mod-Mania

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    Lewis without doubt and Joshua and Bruno at their best also could.
     
  3. Jackomano

    Jackomano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I didn’t say they would beat Wilder for sure, but have a good shot. Wilder is obviously one the top 3 heavyweights in the division, so I obviously rate him and I actually like Wilder, but at the same time I’ve been saying for years despite his power his poor defense and footwork was going to catch-up with him eventually.

    Doyle was an extremely sloppy fighter, but he was also very good puncher and Wilder isn’t a hard guy to land on and neither was Doyle. If Doyle managed to catch Wilder slipping he could definitely knock Wilder out, but the opposite is possible as well.

    Jack London fought and beat guys Wilder’s size before. Just like Ortiz’s experience was giving Wilder a ton of trouble I can London, who was even more experienced than Ortiz taking advantage of Wilder’s poor defense. Also, Freddie Mills was a very experienced light heavyweight and often times a skilled light heavyweight can be a tougher opponent than a giant heavyweight.

    My trainer was a 6’0” middleweight and made most of his money working as a sparring partner for heavyweights
    in the 60’s and 70’s for guys like Big George, Quarry, Lyle, and Henry Clarke, since he helped them prepare for smaller craftier opponents.

    Even Joe Louis and Larry Holmes, who beat a ton of giants had a ton of trouble with crafty former light heavyweights. Even Lennox struggled twice with Holyfield, who was basically a bulked up light heavyweight-cruiserweight.

    Also, Jack Peterson was a very good fighter and losing to Len Harvey, who had fought all types of different styles and worked his way through many divisions isn’t a big deal. If Len Harvey was around today he’d give the top heavyweights a hard time and would even pick up some wins against some of the top guys.

    Neusel is another guy, who was a good fighter and good puncher, who managed to beat Wilder sized guys. I could see Wilder’s lazy jab and poor footwork getting him into a lot trouble against Neusel.

    Ben Foord admittedly wasn’t a great fighter, but he was a tough fighter, who fought top competition regularly and could win against top guys if they let their guard down. This was also the case with Lennox Lewis and Wlad, who let their guards down and tasted defeat against guys they were expected to easily beat.
     
  4. mark ant

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    No way could Hide have taken that punishment or Bruno.
     
  5. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Holyfield would out-punched any light heavy in history, even though Moorer hit harder, he stopped him at heavy, Charles may have hit harder but not weighing 175, no fighter weighing 175 (even Foster) could stand and trade with Holy who went toe to toe with Bowe, as for these beanpoles that were 6'7 and fought many decades ago, none of them had Wilder`s definition or conditioning, look at Willard`s body, Wilder is far more athletic than Willard was.
     
  6. mark ant

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    Bruno was nowhere near Wilder`s level, the first right hand would have destroyed him, Frank never fought a fighter with an 83 inch during his career.
     
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  7. mark ant

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    Smith would have been hit far more than Wilder was by Fury in the first match up if the bonecrusher in his prime could have fought Fury, Wilder is far better than Smith was, his jab is longer and better.
     
  8. janitor

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    Just a thought, but the current talk surrounding Fury, reminds me a bit of what people were saying about Jeffries after his last couple of fights!

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  9. mark ant

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    No way, Wilder sets that lethal right up with that jab, Bugner never faced a 1-2 like that, he would go into a shell.
     
  10. mark ant

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    Wilder counter jabbed Fury well in their first clash and Fury would have jabbed Bugner`s head off easily.
     
  11. mark ant

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    Bruno was ahead on the scorecards v Witherspoon, he caught Tim constantly during that bout, `spoon looked in awful condition.
     
  12. mark ant

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    Bruno was out on his feet v Cummings, he fell apart whenever hurt ury would destroy a prime Frank toe to toe because he has a far better chin and can ride punches he would have stopped Frank quicker than he stopped Wilder.
     
  13. Jackomano

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    That’s a bold claim to say Holyfield would outpunch any light heavyweight in history considering how deep and competitive the light heavyweight division is and always has been. Moore at 180 lbs had no problem beating heavyweights of any size. Him coming in heavier had more to due with age and his discipline slipping as he got into the later stages of his career. I don’t think Holyfield could outpunch a prime Michael Spinks or Bob Foster and I could name others.

    Also, many of the guys that were 6’5”+ in the past were better trained than Wilder and had more fighting experience.

    Guys Bowe’s size with his experience weren’t exactly uncommon in the past. Tommy Loughran knew going into the Carnera fight that he’d be giving up a lot of size and that Carnera liked to clinch a lot, so he brought Jack Pettifer in as a sparring partner. Even Though Loughran lost he made it a very competitive fight.
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    To be honest Wilder could learn something from Loughran on how not to get bullied in the clinch. Loughran never let Carnera put both of his shoulders against the ropes and whenever Carnera tried to lean on him he put his head to one size into Carnera’s chest and came out swinging, which backed Carnera up.
     
  14. mcvey

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    Peterson found 197lbs Neusel too strong for him,he would be cake for Wilder. Harvey was a skilled light heavy without much power he would be destroyed by todays big men.
    Neusel was really short of world class in his own time, he would not make a contender today.
    London never stopped anyone of any note except a 40 years old Larry Gains.
    Doyle was a joke he never stopped anyone who wasnt a third rater,everytime he upped the quality of his competition he was exposed.
    Foord was South African, so we needn't worry about him.
     
  15. mcvey

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    Yeah sure.