Tyson Fury vs Vitali Klitschko ?

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  1. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    Vitali never lost more than three rounds on in any fight , fought better completion and fought in many more fights. A fact. Re-read that twice.

    Anyone who thinks he can’t box doesn’t know this sport.

    Fury lost plenty of rounds, was floored vs a weak puncher and drew with Wilder who is not a very good boxer. He was also busted with peds and was probably on them when he beat an old Wlad .
     
  2. OBCboxer

    OBCboxer Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    This forum used to be better

    Vitali hardly lost a round in his entire career.
     
  3. mcvey

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    Not particularly surprising given some of the scrubs he fought.I think Fury might very well embarrass the Robot.
     
  4. mcvey

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    Vitali was busted for peds when he was kick boxing.
     
  5. sauhund II

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    So whats VK's best wins?

    TKO9 and TKO6 while he was ahead on the cards or did he just win the event while getting stopped ?

    Patiently waiting.
     
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  6. Mod-Mania

    Mod-Mania Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Neither would 90% of the top 25 HW's agaibst Vilai's opposition.
     
  7. Man_Machine

    Man_Machine Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Added to this, is that Fury tested positive for cocaine; a recreational drug; not a substance people take to enhance performance (unless they want to fool their brains into thinking that their performance is being enhanced).

    If anything, cocaine is counter-effective in producing performance improvement.
     
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  8. mcvey

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    Whoopede ****ing doo!!!
     
  9. Mendoza

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    Vitali's pro boxing career is 100% clean. Now are we talking about Fury who was busted for PED's vs Vitali in kickboxing?

    Begone.
     
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  10. Mendoza

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    Sitck around, I'm going to post some data on this master of boxing and defense they call Fury
     
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  11. Mendoza

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    We have been over he beat multiple top ten wonders, far more than Fury has. Fact. Of Course your leaving out Peter, Sanders, Hide, Johnson, ect...
     
  12. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    That's not what I heard.

    "In a UKADA drug test, Fury tested positive for the banned steroid Nandrolone in an earlier fight, even though, for reasons still unclear, the results did not come to light until June, well after he had beaten Klitschko. "

    Also he did not take VADA testing vs Wlad.

    [url]https://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/id/17677283/tyson-fury-fails-drug-test-positive-result-benzoylecgonine[/url]

    Look, I don't want to buy Fury to prove m point. He's a good fighter, but also one who used PED's and fouls a bit.
     
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  13. Mendoza

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    @ Cobra

    Tyson Fury fans, sit down. He's not a master boxer, he has a just okay chin, his accuracy on offense is not as good as you think, and neither is his defense. Want some proof? Okay!

    The Wallin fight. One card 116-112. Vitali never had any close cards in all of his pro fights, which greatly outnumber Fury's. IF Fury fights past 36, he's getting hit a lot more, I guarantee it. Yet Vtalii cruised vs top ten contenders in his late 30's. POINTS.

    In addition, his accuracy on punches landed in the Wallin fight was just 27.5%. Wow, that's not a master boxer. Wallin was top 40 at best! POINTS

    Fury is hard to hit on defense, so some say! Wallin landed 38% of the time. That's a pretty high number, Cobra. POINTS.

    Fury took Pineta the distance, this shows a lack of power. Fury does not hit that hard, and Vitali would be happy to trade with him.

    Cunningham The score cards? 56-56, 57-55, 57-55 in favor of Fury over 7 rounds. Once again, No card on Vitali ever was this close in his 47 pro fight career! Cunningham was an older and smaller cruiser with a weak punch, yet he floored Fury ( And hurt a bit ) as well as outboxed him in some rounds. How can this be Cobra, for a master boxer on offense and defense who had a ton of size and weight on an older Cruiser who was 1-3 in his last four fight? All ears. Until then POINTS.

    So to those fans who think Fury is a master boxer, unhittable on defense, and better in the ring than Vitlai Klitchsko, have another round at the pub or two. You're wrong.

    Look --Fury did look good vs Wilder this time stime ( In the last fight many of the rounds were close ) but Wilder's going to get Ko'd earlier than Fury did it soon, if he fights top ten fighters, and as I showed you his accuracy in a fight where Wilder didn't have his legs under him was underwhelming.

    Please, Vitali whips WIlder sooner, whips Cumminvham without losing a round or getting knocked down and would never have difficulty with a guy like Wallin..even when he was past 40!

    Anyone who's in denial of the above facts on these Fury fights, speak up. I don't see a master boxer on offense or defense. I see a guy who at times struggles vs. lesser competition and does not have the most reliable chin, Scoring points, Cobra, worry not I'm not keeping score.

    But if you want to reply back directly to what I said, I'm game. Usually when black and white facts are presented, others stop posting back or go of tangent. I do think you know something about the science of boxing, but not enough on film, analyzation of the numbers or the history of the game. I can help you fill in those gaps. I also think you dislike Vitali.
     
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  14. Glass City Cobra

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    You claim Chris Byrd, a man who was KO'd 4x has a better chin than Fury who survived 2 fights with Wilder and Wladmir. This doesn't even make logical sense.

    Vitali never had close score cards because he fought in a weak era. The 2 best boxers he faced he lost to. The top 10 ranked opponents you love bringing up were mostly flat footed obese men and slow brawlers in their late 30's, which again shows how weak the era was.

    You keep mentioning Fury's accuracy like Vitali was hard to hit. Fury is 6'9 with longer arms and he punches faster. This is not an agree to disagree point, it is a fact. Fury would get off first. He has a better jab and bettee footwork. Fury doesn't need to land everything, he just needs to control the pace. And he would.

    Bringing up his accuracy in the wallin fight is alos disingenuous because he was suffering from a bad cut and couldn't see properly in addition to wallin being a south paw. A fanboy of Vitali such as yourself should know all about how a cut can affect a fighter's performance.

    You want to bring up Cunningham being the smaller man ignoring the fact Vitali was exposed by the tiny Chris Byrd. Why on earth would you even go there Mendoza? It's like you're giving me the cheat sheet for the exam.

    Never said Fury was unhittable on defense. Nice straw man. All i said was Vitali isn't koing fury.

    Wilder didn't have his legs under him because fury executed an excellent game plan tying up and leaning to tire him out. The body shot and ear drum busting right hand helped too.

    One of your biggest problems, aside from your fanboy bias and being a jack ass, is that you think that what so and so fighter "would" do is a fact. You do not know for a "fact" wilder would have gotten KO'd sooner or later (which is your way of taking credit from Fury), nor do you kbow for a "fact" how Vitali would do against Cunningham or wilder and people are not "ignorant" or lacking knowledge or analytical skills for disagreeing with you on something that is very subjective and down to speculation.

    What is a fact is that fury is faster, taller, has longer arms, has better footwork, better head movement, and is plenty tough enough to take what Vitali can dish out. This is not going to be an easy fight for either man but i happen to favor fury because of all the above mentioned advantages he has.
     
  15. mr. magoo

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    I would favor Fury. But it wouldn’t be a forgone conclusion in my book. For all his shortcomings, Vitali Klitschko was a bad MF and a damn hard one to beat. While I credit Chris Byrd and Lennox as deserving their wins, there was definitely a certain amount of luck involved.