Fury - a modern day Ali?

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  1. Eye of Timaeus

    Eye of Timaeus Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Ali wasn't loved.
     
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  2. joebeadg

    joebeadg Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Fury is huge, don't know what his reach is, but I bet its long. He keeps guys out there at the end of it, then when they get inside, he's good there too. He doesn't have ali's or hearns speed and snap on his punches, nor Foreman's power, however, he does have them massive heavy arms, and ring smarts more than anyone I seen lately. He's funny, loudmouth, which UI normally don't like, but Fury is uncannily likeable!
     
  3. mr. magoo

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    the odds on Fury vs wilder 2 changed in favor of fury as the fight drew near.. And weather Wlad was favored or not is moot in my book. He was pushing 40 and starting to show deterioration. Ali was 22 years old with only 19 fights when he defeated an all time great in Liston. He was very clearly past his prime when he was an enormous underdog against Foreman and his hiatus from boxing was significantly longer than Fury’s. About the only thing the two of them have in common that I can see is loud colorful personalities..
     
  4. Flash24

    Flash24 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Ahhh no, just no. Fury is the best heavyweight in the world today, but he reigns over a very poor crop of subjects. And yes that includes Wilder. I am very happy with the results of The Fury vs Wilder #2 , it won me a lot of money, plus what Fury did was a script I wrote ( But of course Fury didn't see it lol) of what I thought would be the best way to expose Wilder for what he is.
    All excuses from Wilder aside ( The latest is his costume was heavy, it weakened his legs) Wilder can't fight, at least not on a level of a well schooled pro.
    That's were the comparison to Ali is fools gold. The contenders, and fighters Fury have defeated are extremely limited, with the best fighter he fought being a past prime W.Kliecko.
    Fury deserve the recognition as the best in the world today. But nothing more.
     
  5. Richard M Murrieta

    Richard M Murrieta Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    With all due respect, it is too early to tell, one fight does not make the comparison. Ali from 1964-1967 was proven and would probably would have gotten better, if it had not been for the draft.
     
  6. Richard M Murrieta

    Richard M Murrieta Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I know his fans want this to be true, but prime Muhammad Ali, 1964-1967 was far more superior than Tyson Fury of Feb 22 2020. Ali feasted on his European adversaries in his era, and Ali was not afraid to take on anyone for such as a ridiculous thing as a purse. Prime Ali did not have return bout clauses in his contracts for his title defenses back then. He was not a one hit wonder, only time will tell if Tyson Fury can be that man. It was an impressive victory the other night, but prime Ali would have beat Fury like he beat tall Ernie Terrell on Feb 6 1967.
     
  7. RulesMakeItInteresting

    RulesMakeItInteresting Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Fury is in some ways even more of a gangling goofball than Terrell. Ali would have landed shots galore, kept out of his range, and perhaps even scored a flash knockdown.

    Guys like Ali, Holmes, and Louis were in a class completely all their own. Fury still has at least one other big victory before he even gets in the class of, say, Bowe (does anyone here actually believe Fury could have beaten the Holyfield who lost to Bowe that first time? Or the Lewis who beat Rahman?).
     
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  8. Richard M Murrieta

    Richard M Murrieta Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Agreed, at least Big Ernie had his big fights, George Chuvalo, Doug Jones, Eddie Machen, and Cleveland Williams. Ali would have overwhelmed Fury like you described.
     
  9. joebeadg

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    So, now Wilder is exposed, a bum. If at anytime in the fight he connected and knocked out fury, he would have been the greatest thing since foreman. I don't know much about him really, but I guess he knocked out everyone he fought? Exposed maybe, I don't know if he's that bad, he may go on to KO everyone else in the division. I just don't know why he just didn't go in at some point in the fight and start unloading. If he's got so much power he might have connected
     
  10. SHADAPBLAD

    SHADAPBLAD Viscous Knockouts Full Member

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    I think Fury would beat Holyfield of the Bowe 1 fight
     
  11. Unforgiven

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    This is a similarity with Ali though.
    Ali fought down to the level of some of his lesser opponents too.

    Ali (as Cassius Clay) was floored by Henry Cooper, Sonny Banks and he struggled with Doug Jones ... then went on at beat Liston and Patterson.
    Ali lost to Norton and had bad showings against guys like Rudi Lubbers, Chuck Wepner, Jimmy Young.
     
  12. JohnThomas1

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    The first three were in his first 19 fights and came before he was 22 and champ. I wouldn't place too much emphasis there.

    Later sure he was often poorly prepared and lazy in the ring and truth be told not near what he once was. . Did Ali even lose a round against Lubbers tho? He battered him.
     
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  13. LoadedGlove

    LoadedGlove Boxing Addict Full Member

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    When you take the positions Ali did, you won't be everybody's cup of tea. I have never disputed the criticisms of his behaviour towards Frazier or the fact that he was not a good husband or, at times, even a good Muslim.
    Look at the reception he got when he lit the Olympic Flame in Houston or when he came to the UK to accept the Sports Personality of the Millennium Award. Taking your feelings to one side, I would say that Ali was the most loved sportsman of the 20th Century.
     
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  14. Unforgiven

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    I wouldn't place much emphasis on any of them, or the ones Mendoza mentioned for Fury either.
     
  15. JohnThomas1

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    Fair call.