A few points re Wilder

Discussion in 'British Boxing Forum' started by Hattonmad, Feb 23, 2020.



  1. Heisenberg

    Heisenberg Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I thought Mark Breland’s timing was spot on in throwing in the towel, it probably only preempted the referee by only 3 or 4 more shots but it was compassionate for Deontay who he clearly cares for. However, I thought his corner work was completely clueless throughout the fight and he looked lost when his fighter needed help
     
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  2. LoadedGlove

    LoadedGlove Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I have been posting on various threads on here since last year that Fury would need to be more aggressive in the rematch. What I didn't foresee was that he could execute his fight plan so perfectly.
    Wilder's faults have now been well and truly shown to the World. I reckon AJ and Dillian Whyte would have him on toast as he doesn't have the talent to do anything off his back foot, not even jab.
    Wilder's team thought that they got Fury at the right time for the first fight as he was still out of shape and undercooked. A convincing win would have given him plenty of leverage in talks for a fight with AJ. The gamble has bitten him badly.
     
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  3. Twentyman

    Twentyman You dog nonce! banned Full Member

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    Agreed. I think like Joshua in round 3 of the first Ruiz fight, Wilder was done and dusted from then on. He’d busted his ear, his balance was off and I would bet he was concussed. I think they should have thrown the towel in on round 5. I think Deas is a typical example of a brave cornerman, especially with him not backing up Breland. His fighter was getting smashed up, and although he always has that punch, I’d be looking at my fighter thinking ‘he’s bleeding from the ear, his balance is all over place, this lad needs a hospital not another shot to the head’.
     
  4. PaddyGarcia

    PaddyGarcia Trivial Annoyance Gold Medalist Full Member

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    I'm not sure he has been mismanaged. To get to where he is I would say he's been managed excellently given his limitations as a fighter.

    He made multimillions as it is as well and he's just been involved in a fight big enough to warrant the president of the states to have them both in the white house. Would have been easy given the problems Fury caused him in the first fight to try and get out of the rematch but he gets credit form me for wanting to prove himself to be better than Fury. But, he isn't.

    I still think he has the beating of AJ too. Problem Wilder will have now is that without a belt there isn't going to be much appetite for guys to fight him
     
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  5. moog

    moog Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You're right mate. Yes Wilder is a huge puncher but his legs had gone and without that his punch power is drastically reduced. Agree his team should have got him out earlier. Jay Deas is a disgrace on every level.
     
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  6. Oreet Cha!

    Oreet Cha! I know what I like and I like what I know. Full Member

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    Breland has fought in the ring and he knows the drill from that perspective.

    Deas, as far as I can see, has never fought in the ring, just to give this discussion some balance.

    Even though I am a fan of Fury, Breland made the correct call and for Deas, so it seems to myself, to hang Breland out to dry post fight, is a shameful thing to even comprehend, let alone do.

    Deas comes across as passing the buck.

    Take some responsibility man!
     
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  7. Citizen Smith

    Citizen Smith Active Member Full Member

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    Breland deserves a lot of respect and Deas is an absolute disgrace to throw him under the bus like that. He comes across like butter wouldn't melt in his mouth but he'd have been happy to have his man smashed up.
     
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  8. moog

    moog Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    His man was smashed up bad. Another couple of rounds of that and god only knows what sould have happened to Wilder.
     
  9. yesihavearm2

    yesihavearm2 ESB Chinchecker Full Member

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    Only because he had one of the most carefully managed and protected careers I've ever seen.

    Remember when he faced five voluntary opponents in a row and not a single one of them was in the recognised top 10?

    Had he fought the level of opposition that AJ or Klitschko had fought he would have been dethroned a long time ago.

    I made a post on this forum back in 2011 when Wilder fought Damon Reed that he needed to step up, good lord. I never would have thought 7 years later...


    EDIT: I've bust out the champagne and ritz crackers. Glad to see Wilder gone.
     
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  10. Heisenberg

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  11. yesihavearm2

    yesihavearm2 ESB Chinchecker Full Member

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    Disgraceful the way Wilder is throwing Breland under the bus now
     
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  12. Citizen Smith

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    I see they are blaming the costume and while at first it seems an easy excuse (just think of anything and blame it), how much credence does it hold?

    e.g. often at the start of a horse race, if there is a delay you will see jockeys dismounting to give the horse a break. Now these are small guys, even the biggest will be around 10.5 stone at racing weight - say 150 lb's max, but that is on a horse weighing around 1,100 lbs's. We're not counting lead weights either. So that's about 13% of the horse's weight sat on top of it.

    Wilder weighed in at 231lb. We have to take it on trust that the costume weighed 40lb's but if we assume it did, then Wilder was carrying just over 17% of his weight. We also don't know how long he waited and total time he had it on. I mean if he came out carrying a 20lb sack of potatoes over each shoulder I'm sure questions would be asked about that.

    Thoughts?
     
  13. Holler

    Holler Doesn't appear to be a paid matchroom PR shill Full Member

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    He fought what 42 times?, made 10 title defences and until the Fury rematch he never fought a genuine top ranked guy in good shape and in his prime.

    On Saturday he finally did and we all saw the result.

    Now we see how he takes a defeat, not well it turns out.

    Can you honestly look at his record and tell me the criticism is unfair?
     
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  14. bbjc

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    Only last week he was being labelled as the hardest hitting heavyweight ever. This week hes almost a bum who,s no good.

    Think wilders a good fighter tbh. He plays to his strengths...just came up against a guy that was all wrong for him. Still say he was one of the hardest guys to beat if he had the length advantage on you.

    Wilder has no natural coordination. You cant do much to give him that. Its not the coaches fault for it....they done a good job giving him the strategy that played to his strengths. What they did have was his long range and his big punch. And they used it brilliantly. Shorter ranged fighters had to bridge the gap of doom. Without being able to get their punch off first.

    Fury was able to get his punch off first with his reach advantage....from there he nullified everything wilder relied on. Think people are wrong that other guys could do it to him. I say possibly joshua....but the rest will struggle cause they still need to bridge that gap of doom having the shorter reach.

    Dont get why people say wilder cant fight going backwards. A lot of his knockouts came from him going backwards before landing the bingo punch.

    He cant fight going back if you bridge the gap safely. But you need to bridge that gap safely first which comes with its own pitfalls
    Furys reach ensured he did....but not many have the reach of fury.
     
  15. Hattonmad

    Hattonmad Boxing Addict Full Member

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    "I wear a 45lb vest on me as well for all my exercises and everything I do to have the extra weight on."

    Wilder in 2018.