Marciano-I Just Don't Understand It

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  1. GOAT Primo Carnera

    GOAT Primo Carnera Member of the PC Fan Club Full Member

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    Well, we´re approaching 100 here too, right?

    Asked myself for the origin of that. This might be worth a thread. Someone should ask: How many opponents refused moving backwards to give Tyson an inside situation? Out of my head: Ferguson, Ribalta (momentary), Berbick (tried some short inside trading) and Tubbs.

    Did Ferguson survive longer and do better then moving more? Ribalta an Berbick won´t give much information. Ribalta got hammered on the ropes, which isn´t the exact situation to look at.
    Tubbs certainly tried and prob. nobody beat him more decisively, including a young Riddick Bowe.

    Why should someone try trading inside with the quicker, very powerful and shorter reach fellow? Most of the guys tried to get away from a situation like that for a reason....
     
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  2. Gazelle Punch

    Gazelle Punch Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Holyfield crowded him and dominated more then any other fighter (besides old Tyson against Lewis).
    Most great fighters set the tone and part of that is create their own preferable distance and Tyson’s was at a midrange and he was great at creating good situations for himself...like another short fellow we know
     
  3. GOAT Primo Carnera

    GOAT Primo Carnera Member of the PC Fan Club Full Member

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    Holyfield maybe, but thats not the fighter I´m talking about. Holyfield also did a counter-punching approach midrange with tons of winning exchanges anyway.
    We have to add Tyson got into alot of clinches without possible punching for both guys. If the longer reach fellow goes moving on the backfoot (or holding like Smith), its his decision to not crowd for inside exchanges with the shorter incoming boxer.
     
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  4. WAR01

    WAR01 In the 7.2% Full Member

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    He was absolutely a good inside fighter but a better mid range counter puncher.
     
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  5. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 VIP Member Full Member

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    Top shelf inside fighters find ways to punch via skill and/or strength etc. They are virtually impossible to consistently tie up and nullify in close. They don't need the other guy to be willing. If anything they force him to defend himself with their effectiveness and aggression inside. They get their hands (or very often one hand while they control and maneuver the opponent with the other) free and work so the ref generally doesn't break them.
     
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  6. ETM

    ETM I thought I did enough to win. Full Member

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    Tyson was capable on the inside but he did like to rest in there a bit more than one would think. Mike was at his best on the way in at midrange. He created openings with quick footwork, angles and snappy combinations.
     
  7. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    Yeah Tyson publicly demonstrates precisely this with UFC fighters today in numerous YouTube clips. His party piece was attacking from the blind side. The hardest bit. And he was really good at it.
     
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  8. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    Marciano backed up heavier men than Wilder. Tyson Fury only beat Wilder because he gained 30lb? Have a word with yourself.

    Marciano is giving up less weight to beat Joe Louis than he would beating Wilder. As for fighting fire for fire.. I assume those telegram posted uppercuts of Wilder are going to get home from all the way outside before Rocky can hook him?

    has there been any confirmed report of Wilders eardrum shattering? He hurt his ear.

    Yup. Those flufffers...
     
  9. mcvey

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    The underlined is Bull **** he only fought one man heavier than Wilder a tub of lard called Humphrey Jackson who was 4-2-0 his 4wins being over scrubs with losing records.After losing to Marciano Jackson, now 4-3-0 retired.
     
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  10. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    in important fights Wilder was lighter than the comeback version of Joe Louis that Marciano knocked out.
     
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  11. mcvey

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    Louis was under 205 for 51 0f his 69 fights.
    The lowest Wilder has ever been and this was day before weigh- ins was 207 for his debut.
    You can't help yourself can you?
     
  12. Gazelle Punch

    Gazelle Punch Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Forgot big bill and Schkohr. Louis was also heavier then wilder was at times...technically speaking
     
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  13. Somali Sanil

    Somali Sanil Wild Buffalo Man banned Full Member

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    What ever happened to this fella ?? He had some great posts if I remember right !
     
  14. Bukkake

    Bukkake Boxing Addict Full Member

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    This is a factual statement, that is easily verifiable!

    The Louis version who fought Marciano weighed 213¾. In his 44 fights to date Wilder weighed more than that in 41 of them - and less in only 3!

    In other words, you're blatantly lying!
     
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  15. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    Wilder has been lighter than Joe Louis was when he fought Fury yes or no?

    what are you talking about? The only two opponents Wilder fought who ever meant anything are Ortiz and Fury.

    Wilder fought Fury weighing less than Joe Louis did against Marciano true or false?

    Against Ortiz wilder was one pound heavier than Comeback Joe Louis that Rocky fought, but still lighter than the heaviest version of “Comeback Joe Louis” in a title fight who was 218lb against Charles.

    You can split hairs about this if you want to make a baboons ass out of yourself but If Marciano can back up comeback Joe Louis then he can back up Wilder.
     
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