Wilder's corner was horrible. they should all be fired!!

Been pretty obvious for some time Deas isn't up to the task of training at this level. You hear him in interviews and he doesn't really have any great insights or technical points, it's why he had to hire Breland and from interviews he's given he also brought in other people to try and help train Wilder too, but Breland seems to be the only one who decided to stick around when it was clear Wilder wouldn't listen.

Breland should be commended for saving him further punishment but as a trainer he clearly gave up trying to train Wilder. Sure he says the right things in training to make Wilder improve but when Wilder according to him get frustrated then gives up and then switches to things he's already good at instead of working on his weaknesses, Breland doesn't press the issue and just accepts Wilder can't be taught. He's failed as a trainer, while it might not be his fault, him hanging around either for the pay check or some misguided sense of loyalty was a mistake.

 

They definitely had a little talking to by Haymon and the bomb squad after. Especially Breland for betraying Deontay and making him wear that autobot transformers costume!

 

Looking back on the whole thing, I've come to the conclusion Fury respects boxing, Wilder doesn't/didn't.

And what I mean is, Fury identified problems from the first fight and tried to correct them, he changed trainers, understood he needed a different type of style, a style Ben Davison wasn't going to be able to teach him and Fury acted.

Fury didn't pretend to have all the answers, he knows you are never perfect in boxing, he knows you can never stop learning, there isn't a limit to knowledge and experience.

Fury might not have been able to learn a new'ish style, he might not have been able to adjust but he still tried, gave it everything and it worked out.


Wilder on the other hand, thought he had all the answers in his right hand, he must have watched the first fight back, he must have watched the first 6 rounds against Ortiz II.. he didn't believe he needed to change, he obviously believed he was/is the finished article... and what did we see in the Fury rematch?

Did we see Wilder try anything different? Did we see Wilder try any different types of set ups? Any small tweaks?

It's easy to blame trainers, but they can only give instructions to a fighter if the fighter can actually carry them out, knows what you are talking about and understands you.

For example, a trainer could say to Dillian Whyte "get up on your toes, move around, flick the jab, slip and slide, make it difficult for him".. somewhat of a Fury style, Whyte isn't that fighter, the tactics may work with the right kind of fighter and it's exactly the same for Wilder with Breland.

Breland could have easily said a whole list on instructions that may have worked against Fury or at least helped, but they would have been a list of things Wilder either couldn't do or hadn't even attempted in training.

Wilder was and has been the classic case of "if it ain't broke, don't fix it". Breland would have seen the flaws, he would have known Wilder could end up in trouble at some point but if him and Wilder tried to work on something different and Wilder got beat then it would have gone the other way and everybody would have blamed the changes..


Lots of people saw this coming, I wasn't one this time but flaws were there, we can't lie.

Wilder hasn't shown anything different in any fight, he does the same thing time and time again and it has worked all except twice, both Fury fights.

Now we will see if Wilder can adjust, make some small changes and improve, but to just blame the corner instructions and a trainer isn't cool.

If Wilder hasn't bothered or hasn't felt the need to add weapons to his game over the years well that's his own fault, if he wasn't getting the right training he should have made the move, and if he was being asked to try or work on different things but felt he only needed a right hand.. again his own fault.

Or the fact might be, Wilder is just a huge, monsterous right hand and if that's the case then Breland has taken/guided a "right hand" to the WBC title, many defences and made him extremely wealthy in the process.

 

I think Fury listend to his Dad and took it on from there and to a lesser extent over boxing figures like Roache who wanted him to be more aggressive. His Dad said he was weak to light and overtrained. Roche wanted him to be more aggressive and Fury has gone out there using people he trusts and knows and found a way to win - seemingly without pissing off Davidison which is unusal.

Wilder was probably expecting a boxing performance again so didn't work on dealing with pressure - which he's awful at - see any fight when he gets put on the back or any inside work - which in fairness probably wouldn't have helped he was mauled by the bigger, stronger better fighter.

 

I would be interested to see what Freddie Roach could do with Wilder's skillset. Either him or Abel Sanchez. Deontay is too old at this juncture to reinvent himself stylistically so he should hire someone who will help him enhance on his current strengths.

 

No doubt. He should flush them ALL, every single person who had a role in that corner. Pay good money for a top trainer and experiment on the types he normally fights (no hopers). Then when he is comfortable with the adjustments after a fight or two, go back to the top guys. But he won't, and he will get humiliated in the summertime and that will be the last we see of Mr. Wilder.

 

am thinking a large part of the problem is that Wilder has been guided to success without learning the craft. he has a good right hand. a really good right hand. But, if someone can get around it....and someone did ....he has nothing else. the reason we heard nothing beneficial from the corner....a guess....is that no one has tried to help him supplement that right hand...ever. so, whatever a good corner may have told him to do would have fallen on deaf ears. He has believed the hype. He is invincible. my brother and I have had numerous conversations. he took the position that no one could beat Wilder. My position has always been that many could and someone would. My guess is that Wilder......with all the silly excuses....will not try to learn anything from the loss. A trilogy will result in his ass on the mat again. from there on ....everyone has the blue print.

 

I personally think that Breland should be fired not because he threw the towel in, which was the absolute right thing to do. He should be fired since as a former gold medalist and world champion, he didn't provide any useful instructions to Wilder all throughout the fight.

 

The trainers have been free loading of Wilder for a long time. Any trainer of integrity would have left a fighter who was not listening to them a long time ago.

 

The guy has 4 months to do all this stuff and he is 34/35 years old. No chance.

 

I loved when they let Wilder bathe in his own blood, wipe him off ffs...
I think it was premature but live to fight another day. The trilogy will be great.

Fire Breland, Wilder wanted to go out on his Shield but whatever. Ortiz Hurt Wilder really bad too, Bayless allowed Fury to foul a lil too much. This is a World championship fight, keep it clean & classy.

 

Wilder fan spotted. POTUS why you aren`t telling us when Wilder is constantly fouling with illegal shot behind the head, which result in more than 70% of his KOs? He hit Fury with plenty of rabbit punches, and the sh*** corrupt Bayless did nothing.
But why aren`t you telling us why the referee give Wilder enough time to recover after the barrage Ortiz put to him in their first fight ?
Checking for a nonexistent cut and stop the fight, this was ridiculous obvious.
Also the fight with Fury, where referee did all in his power to help Wilder?
Or the judges in the first match, where score a fight that is 10-2, a draw?
I`m listening.

And btw whatever Wilder do, will not have any effect. Its too late for him, and he have tooooo many things to work out. He doesn`t have the fundamentals, no one can help that dummy.
Wilder fans nowadays are catching that he can improve and blq, blq, blq, but he hasn`t show any progress/improvement in the second fight with Ortiz. It was like a mirror with the first one.
Wilder is a no skilled dummy, he is done.

 

The skilful part of Wilder's management was the cherry picking department until they dropped the ball, BIG TIME with the exhumation of Tyson Fury. I don't blame them too much because he didn't look anything to worry about in the Pianeta and Seferi showings.

With the corner instructions, I think this is the reality:

Remember this is the man who was cheerfully quoted as saying:

'In the heavyweight division you don't need skills'

I also don't think that's an original thought on Wilder's part, for obvious reasons, so I wouldn't be surprised if this level of arrogance and utter stupidity was also shared by Jay Deas.

At the weekend he met a heavyweight who does have skills and who used them to negate Wilder's power.