True, but he has beaten Parker, Chisora, Rivas and Wach. That’s comparable with Stiverne, Arreola, Washington and Duhaupas to be fair.
Pulev hasn't done anything in the last few years except a win over Hughie Fury. I'd have Pulev just outside the top 10, maybe in the #11 spot. Wilder's only good wins are against Ortiz, and Ortiz is lower top 10 for me. In fact, you could argue I'm being harsh on Pulev and overrating Ortiz and Rivas by having them as high as #9 and #10. Wilder's taken a bad loss so his rating rests on the KOs of Ortiz in the last two years (in November 2019 and as far back as March 2018). I don't think that puts him ahead of Ruiz who KO'd AJ in June and in the rematch didn't lose as bad as Wilder just did. And Whyte has wins over Parker and Chisora (who'd just smashed Takam) and Rivas, in the last 19 months.
Because he took a bad loss and needs to prove himself. You could ask : Since Wilder and Whyte have never actually fought each other, why should Wilder be in front of him ? The only reason Wilder crept ahead or stayed ahead of a lot of these guys was because he remained undefeated (officially). His actual number of wins over guys who would have been rated in these lists was about 3 in his entire career : Stiverne back in early 2015 (5 years ago) Ortiz in March 2018 Ortiz in November 2019 So, I guess it depends on where and how you rate or rated Ortiz. I don't think wins over Ortiz .... (and a couple of knockdowns of a "50%" Fury in a fight most believed Wilder had lost) ..... are enough to save Wilder from being slumped down the ratings a few positions as a result of him getting smashed up.
Much as I like and respect AJ, I don't think he has the skill set to trouble Fury. Let's just hope that everybody concerned can make it happen this Summer in the UK.
Dillian Whyte is a solid fighter but his championship hopes are a myth soon to vanish. If Wilder cracked him like he cracked Fury in round 1, the fight would've been over there and then. That's the irony of his laughter towards Wilder's beating. No way is Whyte riding that shot, nor AJ for that matter which is why I find the "AJ and Whyte would do the same to Wilder" theory naive. Fury turned his head at the last second with that shot. It was a classic Wilder bingo shot and no one else in the division would've made that slight millisecond turn of the head. That's the difference between Fury and the rest of them. AJ and Whyte can pressure fighters, probably better than Fury at times but no chance are they slipping the big counters and Wilder's big counter is fatal.
That thread was some read. I regretfully took Ad off ignore and reminded myself why I had him on it in first place. It’s not his opinion, it’s just his condescending tone and his inability to articulate his point without resorting to petty insults. Anyway, I guess it’s only natural to dissect Wilder after that performance and to be fair, the people doing it were doing so before Fury beat him up. So they’re not being after timers, they’re only being consistent. This board would be garbage if everyone agreed. I agree with Hattonmad about the shots Wilder threw in that first round. Fury had the footwork and defensive skill to ride the shots in the very last moment. I’m not convinced there’s another heavyweight who could have done the same. The evidence from past fights is that if Wilder does land them shots clean, then it normally means the contest is over. Ruiz does apply pressure and would be a nightmare for Wilder, but there’s only so many of them right hands you can take before even the most durable fighter goes down. Slag off Wilder’s boxing skill all you want but the way he times that right hand is ruthless. Whyte hasn’t walked opponents down for some time. This idea that he spouts himself from time to time that he comes forward and chops away at the body is a bit of myth. Watch Whyte against Helenius and Wach, he isn’t great on the front foot. He is actually pretty good at standing his ground and even stepping back to work off the jab and using those chopping short hooks. Fury showed on Saturday that he is number 1.
Unbelievable that you don't have Usyk. Hunter above Pulev is hilarious Kownacki should be top 10 Parker is far too high
Fury Joshua Wilder Ruiz Ortiz Kownacki Whyte Parker Dubois Miller Usyk Hunter Joyce Hrgovic Rivas Yoka Kabayel Pulev Povetkin Chisora Usyk so low because he’s not fought a meaningful heavyweight but did beat Hunter at cruiser so goes above him. Ruiz is so high assuming he gets himself back into June 2019 shape.
You obviously hate Usyk or something. Because Usyk was unified number 1 at cruiser, He's one of the top P4P fighters in the sport ( arguably P4P number1) probably the GOAT Cruiser. And yeah hes just had 1 heavyweight warm up type fight but what hes done in the sport makes him already a top heavyweight regardless ( plus hes the WBO mandatory). Same way if Lomachenko/Crawford/ moved up a division.. they'd straight away be ranked high just after a one warm up fight. Parker is bang average in every department, he lost to Whyte and Joshua and I had him losing to Hughie Fury!
I don’t hate anyone on the list. He’s probably the greatest cruiserweight of all time you’re right, but if you’re judging him on his heavyweight achievements alone, one win over Witherspoon doesn’t deserve a top ten ranking imo. If he beats Chisora he does. I agree with you’re point on Lomachenko/Crawford, but Usyk moving up to heavyweight is different from Crawford moving from light welter to welter.
I don’t know if it’s been mentioned on here but Ring actually have Whyte in at 3, ahead of Wilder. Top 3 heavyweight boxers in the world right now are British.
To be fair, other than the top 3 HW's they've all got questions to be answered and therefore it's hard to select any order. Guess we need to hope that they start to face off against each other more regularly ! Ruiz Jr - What shape would be in for his next fight if we were to rank him now? If it's Joshua 2 he would not be top 10. Chisora - Gatekeeper? Lost every time he has stepped up? Miller / Yoka - PEDS ! Povetkin - Age and if you take his record over the last few years is it enough to be top 5 HW? Dubois - Prospect. Can't rank him too high yet. Hrgovic - Will need to be seen in with more competitive opponents. Usyk - Remains to be seen at HW ! Kownacki - Not as good resume as Whyte? Ortiz - Age obviously and his pro record opponents!?!? hmmm
