Wilder's behaviour against Breland

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  1. ILikeBoxingForRealz

    ILikeBoxingForRealz Active Member Full Member

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    This. Think of your kids that you support by doing this (boxing). Extremely dangerous sport and a corner who throws the towel in doesnt represent what type of man you are. Your a man for getting in the ring first and foremost. So this whole goin out on a shield thing needs to take a step back I feel. Too many youngsters passing away due to towels not being thrown in. F that.
     
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  2. JediPimp007

    JediPimp007 Long suffering reader Full Member

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    Again this is down to his simple minded intellect, only have to look on these boards to see similar ignorance and stupidity.

    Breland should have been fired... but several years ago when they realised that Wilder hasn't improved at all under him. Firing him for pulling Wilder out of a no win situation is just lame and like you say, it's simply so Wilder can attempt to save some face (completely and utterly negated with him blaming the costume, the ref, solar flares and cosmic rays...etc). Breland if anything pulled him out too late, it should have happened at the end of the 5th, because it was clear there was zero zip on his shots, even his hail mary get out of jail shot was gone and wasn't ever going to come back.

    On the plus side of all of this, Wilders days of being a titlist (not a champion, because he never was a champion) will soon be over permanently so hopefully we wont see the WBC being held hostage to be defended against countless over matched optional opponents. I'll go out on a limb and say now with fair certainty that Wilder will never pickup another major belt again and will likely either retire after Fury smashes him again, or become a mid level journeyman capable of scoring some amazing knockouts against fringe contenders, but ultimately coming up short anytime he faces a quality opponent.
     
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  3. Aydamn

    Aydamn Dillian Da Dissappointment Full Member

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    Yeah Breland really doesn't need to be around someone with that level of character... Wilder isn't a good guy... his narcissistic, ungrateful personality is just too toxic to be around... I'd recommend Breland bolt now and never look back... but there is a lot of history there so it wont be easy
     
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  4. chico g

    chico g What are you staring at Mr Trump?! hahaha! Full Member

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    Breland didn't even iron that damned towel when it was brought to the ring, embarrassing! Should have at least washed it afterwards! I hope that cleaning charge comes out of his wages! He was useless for the bomb squad and Deontay!
     
  5. northpaw

    northpaw Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I'm sure it will be a difficult process for Wilder, but him throwing Breland under the bus how he did should make it a bit easier. There will soon be a vacuum in corner talent for Wilder, he and Deas deserve it.
     
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  6. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    When George Foreman lost to Muhammad Ali, he fired the Hall of Fame former champs in his corner Sandy Saddler and Archie Moore, and he accused Dick Saddler of poisoning him. (To make matters worse for Foreman, Saddler immediately joined the new champ Muhammad Ali's team, which made Foreman even more paranoid.)

    The fact that Breland is friends with all the Kronk guys in Fury's corner, and that Breland was apparently convinced to throw in the towel by Anthony Dirrell, who is trained by Fury's new trainer, has certainly led to Wilder's paranoia.

    And I'm being totally serious here. I can understand that many of you grew up or came to boxing when the heavyweight division was in its dog days and the Klitschko brothers treated the division like a cash-dispencer, both refusing to fight the best boxer remaining out there (each other).

    But Wilder's behavior, and Fury's behavior, frankly, is normal when you look at the history of heavyweight champions.

    For the most part, they were nearly all crazy.

    That's because the World Heavyweight Champion, unlike champs in other divisions, is supposed to be able to beat up anyone. He's supposed to be the best fighter in the world. Among all humans, basically. That's the GOAL.

    I'm not talking about make-believe pound-for-pound garbage. I mean, he's supposed to be able to beat any man on earth who steps up to him and wants to fight.

    Norman Mailer, like 50 years ago, wrote this about Heavyweight boxing champions:

    It can, in fact, be said that heavyweights are always the most lunatic of prizefighters.

    Lightweights, welterweights, middleweights can all be exceptionally good, fantastically talented - but they are still very much in their place. The best lightweight in the world knows an unranked middleweight can defeat him on most nights. He knows the biggest strongman in a bar could handle him by sitting on him.

    Since they are fighters who know their limitations, they are likely to strive for excellence in their category. We respect them and they deserve to be respected.

    But heavyweights never have such simple sanity. It is like being the big toe of God. You have nothing to measure yourself by.

    The closer a heavyweight comes to the championship, the more natural it is for him to be a little bit insane, secretly insane, for the heavyweight champion of the world is either the toughest man in the world or he is not, but there is a real possibility he is.


    Floyd Mayweather walks around with body guards who are three times his size, because Mayweather, in person, is the size of a grammar school student. Most heavyweight champions in history didn't tend to travel with bodyguards, because they are supposed to be THE BEST FIGHTER IN THE WORLD.

    And most heavyweight champions would rather freaking die (see Wilder) than have a fight stopped.

    That's the mindset of a heavyweight champion. You can say that doesn't make sense, but that's been the mindset of nearly all the men who have held the World heavyweight championship.

    That's why people at the time questioned Vitali Klitschko for quitting in the Byrd fight. It's why Liston was villified for quitting on his stool against the then-Cassius Clay. And it's why Joshua was lambasted for spitting out his mouthpiece against Ruiz and for seemingly wanting to stop fighting, and then, moments later, for grabbing the microphone and addressing the crowd like he was the emcee of the event. The last thing a guy who is the heavyweight champion is supposed to accept is defeat.

    Wilder being angry and pissed and insisting the fight shouldn't have been stopped and demanding a rematch is how nearly all the TOP heavyweights have reacted in similar situations.

    The guys who take losses like they are nothing and laugh them off are usually the ones who AREN'T in Canastota.

    So, if you're wondering why Wilder is acting this way, and champs in lower divisions don't, it's because, like Mailer said, the champs in lower divisions know their limits.

    You'll find few if any "good sports" after a loss in the history of the WORLD heavyweight championship.

    Just thought I'd let you know that, since some of you seemingly aren't aware of this.
     
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  7. Aydamn

    Aydamn Dillian Da Dissappointment Full Member

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    I get the mindset to go to the top and stay there, but thats why we have referee's, doctors and corner men to stop the fight and protect the fighter from their mindset when it can cause more harm than good.

    Wilder was never in that fight, he was finished, he was not going to survive the next few rounds.

    Every fan, and boxer and boxing analyst could see this as clear as day. If Deas had a pair of balls he would admit the same thing.

    Wilder was taking bad damager, and I feel his speech has slurred over the past 2-3 years. Accumulated damage from losing so many rounds.

    Wilder will be angry and pissed, and it's understandable. Breland did the right thing, he saw a man in trouble and he stopped it.
     
  8. DoubleJab666

    DoubleJab666 Dot, dot, dot... Full Member

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    It's also likely to be BS that Breland was influenced by Anthony Dirrell - another smokescreen. He simply made a wise and compassionate judgment call.

    I can't believe people who claim to be fans of Wilder wanted him to take a proper beating, maybe even a health-threatening one in a fight he had ZERO chance of winning.

    And a fighter having a big punch, is not enough reason for a responsible cornerman to leave his charge in the firing line. He couldn't throw it properly anyway, because his legs had gone. He hadn't thrown it effectively for 3-4 rounds.

    Breland should be lauded for doing the right thing...
     
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  9. Aydamn

    Aydamn Dillian Da Dissappointment Full Member

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    Just twats, children and casuals... always saying "boring, shouldnt have been stopped... what a *****... keep going till your dead"

    Yeah Wilder hadnt thrown anything meaningful in many rounds, and he was simply unable to launch anything as he couldnt plant his feet... and because its wilder... HE HAS NOTHING ELSE!

    Remember when Groves injured his arm against Eubank in the late rounds.. he boxing fine because he knows how to box LOL. Once Wilders right is gone... he is just a face getting punched.
     
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  10. UnleashtheFURY

    UnleashtheFURY D'oh! Full Member

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    Low IQ + Narcassistic personality.

    Wilder is blaming everyone but himself. So glad this clown is exposing himself as the joke that many of us with a good eye claimed him to be for years. It's his coach, it's the costume he wore to the ring, it was the shots to the back to the head, it was the fan in the crowd who in his mind convinced Breland to stop the fight. Sure. Firing a coach after a loss is nothing new in boxing. Sometimes it's just a feeling that they need something new to get their bearings back no hard feelings just buisness, sometimes it's genuine animosity - a feeling that they had a direct connection with the loss. Wilder could be given a pass but not in conjunction with all of the other laughable excuses he's been throwing around. Again. Wilder is blaming everyone and everything but himself for the loss.
     
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  11. herbzg

    herbzg Euro-Level Athlete Full Member

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    Wilder could have died .
     
  12. deyell

    deyell MOLECULE FROM HELL. Full Member

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    Wilder believed his own hype. Probably he still thinks that he is the baddest man on the planet, and is in total cognitive dissonance after Fury mopped the floor with him. So he needs to find a scapegoat for his embarrassing loss, because he won't admit that he is an exposed hypejob. And scapegoat is Breland.
     
  13. Bustajay

    Bustajay Feel the Steel/Balls Deep Full Member

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    :risas3::risas3::risas3::risas3::detenido::risas3::risas3:
     
  14. Bustajay

    Bustajay Feel the Steel/Balls Deep Full Member

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    Rocky still messed up for not saving Apollo
     
  15. ILikeBoxingForRealz

    ILikeBoxingForRealz Active Member Full Member

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    Right! Rocky dropped the ball on that one
     
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