Wilder v Fury II

Talk about defensive. Nobody mentioned Eddie Hearn or AJ. Is that you Frank?

 

The Saudi Stinker is exactly why the PPV Mugths need educated being fleeced by multi-millionaire boxers fighting absolute puddings

 

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Really taking to young Ben.

 

Me too. I thought it analysis was outstanding and very educational to the untrained eye. BT should do such analysis the Mondsy after a show like Sky do with their football show with Carragher and Neville.

 

I'd love that, they don't have so much live boxing on but if they could get analysis of that quality on a regular basis it would be a must watch.

 

So would I. I was watching Ben Davidsons analysis and learning.

 

Ben is a fantastic analyst and he's going to be a great coach. He'll have learned a tremendous amount from not just working with Fury, but also from splitting with Fury and seeing Fury's evolution under Sugar Hill. He's clearly watched the rematch many times and allowed himself to learn, along with communicating with Tyson throughout the camp, and knows the exact adjustments Fury made. It's all a learning experience for Ben and he's clearly learning at a rapid pace.

He has two great fighters in Josh Taylor and Saunders and he's in an excellent position to bring them on and learn more. In five years I think Ben will be talked about among the top trainers in Britain.

 

BT's boxing stuff has been better than sky for a long time because it's more about the actual boxing than hyping up the event. However, sky target the casual audience who vastly outnumber attentive boxing fans and therefore they'll likely always be the more popular boxing outlet of the two.

 

I've seen a few broken down videos of Fury/Wilder 2 now and they each emphasise what an intelligent boxer Fury is. Where he places his feet, how he sets up his attacks, where he places and moves his head in the clinch, how he utilises his jab for various different reasons, his timing, his manipulation of Wilder's defence and his reading of Wilder's attacks.

It makes me sigh when you've got a guy like Dillian Whyte laughing at Wilder, saying things like "I told you all you just have to put it on Wilder and beat him up" or whatever he said, as though it's an easy job. Fury didn't just "put it on Wilder". He used several gears of his elite boxing IQ and applied extremely intelligent pressure at the right times, while always being wary of Wilder's attack.

Call me a fanboy, call me whatever the hell you like. Fury's ability and ring IQ are lightyears ahead of everyone else. It's the subtle things that most people don't notice which make all the difference. AJ has a lot in the locker and does everything well. However, he's textbook and Fury doesn't lose to a textbook fighter. Fury has mastered said textbook and brings a whole other dimension. That's without mentioning his size, stamina, toughness and will to win which is phenomenal.

 

Fury's such a loose cannon you never sure what you are going to get with him but say he beats Wilder again, beat's AJ and then beats AN Other be it Whyte or whoever. Undefeated multiple belt winner, if he does call it a day then he's a H2H nightmare for any heavy in history. Size, Ability, boxing IQ, strength and enough power to cause people trouble. Eugh must be a nightmare to fight at his best.

 

Brilliant post, that's it in a nutshell. Would love to see Whyte or Ruiz charge in to Wilder, they would wake up a few minutes later wondering what had just happened.

 

I don't think Whyte is saying it's an easy job necessarily. He's saying that there's an obvious gameplan against Wilder which looks like it's the go-to way in order to beat him. And to be fair, he's probably right. Fury has battered him. Ortiz was battering him. If your next best opponent is Bermane Stiverne what have you proved? We all know Wilder's CV for a long-time champion is terrible. He's got away with it for so long because he's been fighting second tier fighters. Imagine a football team who decide to field a new tactic of four strikers, four attacking midfielders and two at the back. They batter the likes of Brentford and Fulham for years and people start believing this unorthodox approach is actually revolutionary; 'teams just don't know what to do against them.' Then they play Liverpool and get absolutely pumped.

Fury Joshua could go either way. Pontificating that he simply 'doesn't' lose to Joshua does make you look like a fanboy to be fair.

 

Usyk is the only one who can match his skills, but the things which Usyk does well aren't the same as the things Fury does well. Fury's a master tactician who executes complex gameplans on the night that very few fighters can prepare for. Usyk adapts on the fly and reads fighters' rhythms and attack styles better than anyone. It'd be incredible to watch them fight and see all the myriad mind games going on beneath the surface.

 

To be fair, I couldn't give a bollocks Tony. Fury will beat him.

 

Agree with this but I would say the warning signs were there with the Ortiz fight. Ortiz wasn't doing anything special to neutralise Wilder. His not the most difficult guy to beat to the punch or get close too.

It's why I thought AJ always beats Wilder as I don't think AJ would struggle to get close to Wilder.

Why Wilder and his team haven't got him using the jab as a real weapon I don't know. He doesn't need a Larry Holmes jab but just something. He needs a left hook as well.