True SIZED Heavyweights before the fall of the Division into the Land of the Giants...

TRUE!

They faught more frequently and also dodged a less number of good opponents. Thats why i rank Holy and Holmes Top 5 GOAT and not Lewis, Klitschko etc.
It's also sad that the refs today let theese giants foul at will. I can't remember Wladimir gets a warning for his consequently holding and pushig opponents down, every time a short man comes in range.

In my opinion they should establish a new weightclass. Maybe 220 lbs. And they really should do some pr, marketing, idk... whatever to make this division and cruiserweight attractive.

Imagine the golden era of HW Boxing. The ATG's:

Max Baer 200-210
Joe Louis 195-205
Rocky Marciano ~185
Floyd Patterson ~185
Sonny Liston 210-215
Ali 64-67 205-210
Joe Frazier 200-210
Foreman 72-74 215-220
Ali 70-76 210-225
Ken Norton ~210
Earnie Shavers 205-215
Larry Holmes 205-225
Mike Tyson 215-220
Evander Holyfield 210-220
Tommy Morrison 220-225

I guess some of the most entertaining Boxers of all time! (kinda chronolgical with their ~weight at their prime)

 

I'd take this post a lot more seriously if it wasn't slating SHWs, which don't actually exist, and gushing over Lennox Lewis.

Being accurate would help too.

 

WUT??? Lennox was ducked for years and took on all comers. Holmes ducked plenty of people, especially in his later years. As soon as Lennox considered avoiding the Vitali rematch aged 38, he retired.

The Klits as boring as they were took on all comers.

 

Don't get me wrong: I don't blame Lennox or the Klitschkos explitcitly. I dont ascertain who is to blame for it but I just name the fact that the competition in HW is very bad in the last ~25-30 Years. It is a very rare phenomenon when Champions fight good / the best opponents . And i don't mean a big name with 40-45 years like Ray Mercer. Most of Wladimirs opponents were BS! Either too small opponents who got wrestled down, over aged and overweight guys, or Journeyman.

So Wilder - Fury I just happend because Fury was said to be done after this drug & depression era.
And Wilder - Fury II was just a consequence because of Wilder - Fury 1 happend.

I'm just sick of 2 lame title defenses per year with 3-4 Rounds and 20 punches per round.

Here is just an example of Alis record: in exactly 4 years he fought 16 Times
72-09 Floyd Patterson
72-11 Bob Foster
73-02 Joe Bugner
73-03 Ken Norton
73-09 Ken Norton
73-10 Rudi Lubbers
74-01 Joe Frazier
74-10 George Foreman
75-03 Chuck Wepner
75-05 Ron Lyle
75-06 Joe Bugner
75-10 Joe Frazier
76-02 J.P. Coopman
76-04 Jimmy Young
76-05 Richard Dunn
76-09 Ken Norton
That's what i call challenge! Ali was over 30 and fought 4 Times per year. Predominantly against good opponents.

 

Foreman weighed close to 225 against Norton in 1974 and 225 against joe murphy in 1972,224 against leroy caldwell, and he weighed 226-230 at 18 in the amateurs. He clearly was cutting weight when fought under this weight , you can see his natural weight post Ali, he weighed between 226 and 232 and never touched a weight in a gym, george had huge Frame, however a guy like Tommy Morrison was clearly naturally lighter and smaller, look at his early fights and his frame, Weight does not determine who is the bigger man, the frame does.
0:09 the guy says the weights. 226 pounds in the amateurs here

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I have been saying for years and years now Call the cruiserweights heavyweight (as it is in the Amateurs) and let’s celebrate them as the true decedents of the traditional heavyweight class. Leave the new SHW division for the giants who before steroids made only a small impression.

History shows us that until the failed drug test era, giant sized men were the least successful humans at boxing. There were always the odd tough one that made it into the rankings or win a championship, but no real domination until enhancing themselves.

 

I agree with you in part but the generations grow. I am 1.86 (6'1 1/2) and about 230 pounds and I feel mediocre in size compared to the new generations. today is not like in the past, before the big man was the exception and was clumsy, nowadays the big and athletic man is more usual

 

Back in the old days.
But seriously, if, as you point out, the Lewis v Holyfield fight was the last of its kind then if feels like things have changed very fast. That's only twenty years ago, that's nothing really, but already Lewis, is seen the last of a kind!

 

Out of curiosity… where would you place Fury and Wlad? Are they elite fighters - or do they belong in tier 2 or 3?