Naseem Hamed vs. Ricky Hatton (historically)

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  1. Thread Stealer

    Thread Stealer Loyal Member Full Member

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    It's a little tough to gauge since Ricky is still active, but let's just say "as of now".

    Hatton beat his share of fringe contenders and veterans on the road to the title. Some of his most notable wins (and losses) were as follows:

    Kostya Tszyu: While he was inactive for awhile from 2003-04, he was still the top guy @ 140, and ranked in the top 5 p4p by The Ring. His last fight was a very impressive stoppage over top contender Shambra Mitchell. Definitely the most noteworthy win of Hatton's career.

    Carlos Maussa: Incredibly awkward fighter who'd upset Vivian Harris for the WBA belt. A weak title-holder, but Hatton did his job and took him out in highlight reel fashion, capping off a great 2005.

    Luis Collazo: A very close fight that could've gone either way. You can criticize Hatton for his performance in that you felt he lost, or you can give him credit for taking the fight on relatively short notice (he was supposed to fight Lazcano @ 140) and then moving up and winning a close UD over a welterweight beltholder.

    Jose Luis Castillo: The win here has often been downgraded because of how shot Castillo looked. To be fair, Castillo had often been up-and-down depending on the fights, looking so-so in smaller bouts and better in bigger bouts. Regardless, Castillo is a long-time veteran and a possible HOFer whom was at least considered a threat to Hatton before the fight. Hatton stopped him in impressive fashion.

    Other notable wins for Hatton: IBF title-holder Juan Urango, veterans Ben Tackie and Vince Phillips.

    Floyd Mayweather: Hatton made Mayweather work harder than usual, but for the most part, was outclassed and beaten. Almost all the clean shots were landed by Mayweather throughout the night.

    For Hamed:

    Steve Robinson: Robinson had a lot of early losses, but by 1995, had developed a nice winning streak and had made 7 defenses of the WBO belt. Ranked #3 at 126 by The Ring at the end of 1994. Hamed dominated Robinson, in between his mocking and taunting.

    Manuel Medina: Medina is one of the those real veterans of the sport who's been around for what seems like forever. He'd recently lost his WBC belt to Lusito Espinosa. Ranked #3 by The Ring at 126 at the end of 1995. Hamed looked troubled at times, getting hit with good right hands throughout, but his power proved too much for Medina.

    Tom Johnson: The best win of Hamed's career. Johnson was aging at 32, but had made a dozen defenses of his IBF 126 lb. belt and was considered the top featherweight in the world at the time. Hamed was too much for Johnson, stopping him with an uppercut in 8.

    Kevin Kelley: Kelley had only lost once, but was a little past his prime at the time and been in some tough bouts (Gonzalez, Gainer I). Nevertheless, he was a good test for Hamed and provided by the most fan-friendly fight of Hamed's career, as Hamed came out on the winning end of a 4 round, 6 knockdown bout.

    Wilfredo Vasquez: Vasquez had made 4 defenses of his WBA belt, but got stripped right before fighting Hamed. Vasquez was a solid veteran, but clearly aging as he was in his late 30s at the time. Hamed's power and youth were too much.

    Cesar Soto: Having just upset Lusito Espinosa, Soto was the WBC champ when Hamed won this dull bout, highlighted by a body slam.

    Marco Antonio Barrera: Barrera schooled Hamed behind his jab and boxing skills, and Hamed never mentally recovered, having fought just 1x since then.

    Other notable wins for Hamed: Tough veteran Wayne McCullough, long-time 122 lb. champ Vuyani Bungu
     
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  2. PaddyD1983

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    Hatton - recognised linear champion at LWW and a genuine WW champ. Beaten by the best boxer on the planet and now trying to re-establish his career.

    Naz - over rated, hyped and when beaten by a world class fighter - quit.
     
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  3. thePRESIDENT

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    Hatton edges it.

    I also beleive Hatton edges Calzaghe.

    The guy left Warren far earlier and took the risks.


    Hattons Resume includes:

    Castillo
    Tszyu (p4p no:3 at the time)
    Mayweather (P4Pno:1)
    Maussa
    Collazo (2nd title at weight division)
    Urango
    Tackie
    Vince Phillips


    Calzaghes:

    Kessler( Who has he ever beaten that wasnt washed up)
    Lacy (why was he rated as a puncher...who did he Ko of note????)
    Eubank (Shot + took it at 2 weeks notice)
    Rick thornberry??
    Mario Viet (not once but Twice??? after koing him in 1 a few yrs back)

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=vmtWEdQghJw

    This sums Joe Calzaghe up
     
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  4. MilesP

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    winning an ABC belt in a decision againt Luis Collazo, in a fight that most people thought he lost, doesn't make a Hatton a genuine WW champ.
     
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  5. TFFP

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    You've just demonstrated quite clearly that you have absolutely no idea about Calzaghe's career. Not only is your list completely wrong, but your bias against Calzaghe is quite obvious when you tear wins like Kessler and Eubank to shreads yet Vince Phillips and Ben Tackie pass without a murmur :lol:

    What a complete imbecile.
     
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  6. Thread Stealer

    Thread Stealer Loyal Member Full Member

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    Hamed has a deeper resume of noteworthy wins against contenders and champs than Hatton does.
     
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  7. scurlaruntings

    scurlaruntings ESB 2002 Club Full Member

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    Wow are you serious?! Castillo was so old he was spitting dust. The same goes for Vince Phillips. He lost to Mayweather. Who exactly were Maussa Collazo and Urango? And your going to bolster all of this with Ben ****ing Tackie!! ****ing hell this board gets worse by the minute. Some peoples memorys are so short:patsch:roll:
     
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  8. scurlaruntings

    scurlaruntings ESB 2002 Club Full Member

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    Naz wins this by a country ****ing mile. He had wins over a prime Kevin Kelly, Paul Ingle, Wayne McCullough, Manual Medina, Naseem Hamed, Tom Johnson, Augie Sanchez with a scintillating KO, and a handful of B C level fighters who are more than a dam sight better than half of the garbage that Hatton cooked up with his myriad of WBU defences. When Naz won he was convicing. When Hatton wins he cant even convince us that his better than Collazo or any of the other no namers that he dug up.
     
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  9. 196osh

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    Naz's resume is far superior.

    :good
     
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  10. Benjiabc

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    naz takes this quite clearly, hatton won more fights? but aginst d/c level fighters at best. hamed beat many c/b level fighters with relative ease
     
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  11. cableguy

    cableguy Active Member Full Member

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    Someones going to point out your typo...might aswell be me!

    On a side note, i do agree with you though. On top of that, he was the one solely responsible for bringing the general public to sit up and take note of the lower weight divisions
     
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  12. Thread Stealer

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    I suppose you can say Hamed partially beat himself with his laziness and working with Oscar Suarez instead of Brendan Ingle.

    Suarez sucks!
     
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  13. thewoo

    thewoo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You seem to have some serious double standards. You mention that Eubank was shot but not that Castillo was also shot. You mention that Lacy was hyped as a puncher without knocking out anyone of note but try to talk up Urango who himself is an overhyped puncher that has KO'd no one of note. You didn't even list hopkins for Calzage who was for the ring title at his second weight but somehow put merit into Hatton's win for a meaningless paper title at his second weight.

    Hatton has just one solid win over a good champion and that's Tzyu. Don't try to talk up his resume to more than it is.
     
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  14. toffeejack

    toffeejack Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You are clearly a hater of Calzaghe or ****ing clueless.

    So Castillo wasn't over the hill? Or Tszyu? And you are giving credit for Maussa, Urango and Phillips but denying Joe any credit for Eubank, Lacy and Kessler? :lol:

    By the way, which round did you have Lacy knocking out Calzaghe in?
     
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  15. toffeejack

    toffeejack Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Anyway I'm a Hatton fan but Naz wins this quite clearly for me.

    In fact Prince Naseem Hamed is one of the most underrated boxers on this forum, some of it is his own fault with the way he ended his career through no fault of his own but he could have gone on to be an ATG if it weren't for his poor attitude.

    A prime, focused and determined Hamed would never have lost to Barrera that night, in fact he probably knocks him out.
     
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