All-Time Greatest P4P - One Punch KO power

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  1. TBI

    TBI Active Member Full Member

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    This all sounds profoundly ******ed. So dumb. Literally zero sources or any way to quantify his claims, just a bunch of ridiculous illogical claims put forth as facts somehow.

    Hey, Mr. Science, provide your source(s) or techniques/machinery to measure your claims.
     
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  2. Henry Hank

    Henry Hank Mexicans Run Houston Full Member

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    One of the most ridiculous threads to ever grace this forum.
     
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  3. DoubleJab666

    DoubleJab666 Dot, dot, dot... Full Member

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    The numbers equivalent of a 'word salad'
     
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  4. DoubleJab666

    DoubleJab666 Dot, dot, dot... Full Member

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    Whereas this literally is a word salad
     
  5. dangerousity

    dangerousity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The latter statement is obvious but as for the former, are you seriously trying to say that a 108lbd Pac hits just as hard as a 147 Pac in terms of raw power? Meaning you attribute pac’s Success in knocking guys out like cotto due to his ability to deliver that “same” power, rather than an increased power?

    Or are you mistaking the term “raw power” for “p4p power” or at least something similar to it?
     
  6. eltirado

    eltirado Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    • Pacman of 147lbs barely hits as hard as Pacman of 108lbs, this should not be shocking
    • Inoue 850 PSI is not that far from Mike Tyson 900 PSI
    • The only way to have more raw power, is more speed & more Height.

    5'11" Lightweight punching @ 31MPH will always hit harder than a 5'10" Middleweight punching @ 30 MPH

    Taller & Faster = More PSI
     
  7. eltirado

    eltirado Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Simple facts not "Scientific claims"

    Height + Punch speed = PSI

    • No 5'02" boxer can exceed 800 PSI (regardless of weight)
    • No 5'05" boxer can exceed 850 PSI (regardless of weight)
    • No 5'09" boxer can exceed 1000 PSI (regardless of weight)
    • No 6'04" boxer can exceed 1200 PSI (regardless of weight)
    • At 6'07" Wilder punches at 1350 PSI (210 lbs @ 26 MPH) --- Tall Heavyweight rarely exceed 20 MPH

    5'05" boxers like Inoue & Pacman punch at extreme speed (40 MPH), due to their shorter arms. The Punch speed always drops with longer reach which takes away some of the speed-input towards raw power -raw power can still increase from the height input-, apologies if this thread causes anybody unintended discomfort.
     
  8. eltirado

    eltirado Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Nothing changed Miguel Cotto himself is 5'06"/5'07", with less speed/power/connect ratio. With all those advantages in Pacman side he was able to stop Cotto (regardless of what weight Cotto comes in), weight is useful when you want to drain an opponent...

    Can Pacman do the same... to taller Welters in their prime?:
    • 6'01" Thomas Hearns
    • 5'11" Sugar Ray Robinson
    • 5'11" Felix Trinidad
    Technically Pacman punches will be able to drop any of three above, but more than likely Pacman will get stopped by a Knockout punch before he can start landing his full impact punches.
     
  9. DoubleJab666

    DoubleJab666 Dot, dot, dot... Full Member

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    You have a choice: Be hit by a tennis ball moving at 31mph or a train moving at 30mph. And you'd choose the train, right?

    You talk nonsense...
     
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  10. KO Artist

    KO Artist Do not attempt to adjust your TV Full Member

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    Prince Naseem - hardest hitting super Bantam and featherweight of all time???
     
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  11. Pound4PoundGG

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    how do you know all this? Do you work in this field, or have you researched it? or is it just theory?
     
  12. Pound4PoundGG

    Pound4PoundGG Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I think your theory is bull. Your completely missing out MASS.

    The force of an object is a product of that object's acceleration and mass. English physicist Isaac Newton introduced this fundamental identity of classical mechanics with his second law of motion, F = ma. F represents force; m represents mass; and the variable a represents acceleration. A fighter's fist or a boxer's glove when it reaches a punching bag will have a force dependent on how fast the fist or glove is speeding up and the mass of the fist or glove and arm. The unit of force is typically the Newton (N), which is one kilogram meter per second squared.

    Step 1
    Weigh the boxer or fighter on a bathroom scale. For example, the boxer weighs 147.7 pounds.


    Step 2
    Multiply the boxer or fighter's weight by 0.0345 using a calculator, to determine the mass of the boxer's arm. For example, 0.0345 x 147 = 5.0715. The estimated mass of this boxer's arm is 5.1 kilograms.

    Step 3
    Station the boxer in front of a punching bag. Place two assistants to the right and left of the boxer. The assistants should be facing each other with a line of vision perpendicular to the direction in which the boxer will punch. Equip one assistant with a digital stopwatch and the other with a velocimeter.

    Step 4
    Instruct the assistant holding the velocimeter to hold the device immediately to the left of the surface of the punching bag, opposite the boxer. Instruct the assistant holding the stopwatch to time the boxer's punch, starting the stopwatch when the boxer begins his punching movement and stopping the stopwatch when the boxer's fist strikes the punching bag.


    Step 5
    Instruct the boxer to punch the bag, allowing the two assistants to take their measurements. For example, the assistant holding the stopwatch measures a punch time of 0.1 seconds; the assistant holding the velocimeter measures a velocity of 19.0 mph.

    Step 6
    Multiply the punch velocity by 1.61 to convert the velocity to kilometers per hour, using a calculator. For example, 19 x 1.61 = 30.59. Multiply your answer by 0.277 to convert the punch velocity to meters per second. For example, 30.59 x 0.2778 = 8.49. The boxer's punch velocity was approximately 8.49 meters per second (m/s).


    Step 7
    Divide your answer by the measured time of the punch. For example, the measured time of the punch was 0.1 seconds: 8.49 divided by 0.1 = 84.9. The acceleration of the boxer's fist and arm was approximately 84.9 meters per second squared (m/s^2).

    Step 8
    Multiply your answer by the calculated mass of the boxer's arm in kilograms. For example, 84.9 x 5.1 = 432.99. The force of this boxer's punch when it reaches the punching bag is approximately 433 kilogram meters per second squared, or 433 Newtons (N).

    source
    https://www.livestrong.com/article/538379-how-to-measure-force-on-a-punching-bag/
     
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  13. timeout

    timeout Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    This poor millennial has spent too much time on his tablet. Needs to get out there put the protractor down and try and get laid.

    Never have so many, read some much tripe, with so little evidence.
     
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  14. eltirado

    eltirado Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    PSI = (per square inch)

    PSI generation is mainly Punch-Speed & Height
    • Speed is extremely important when it comes to generating PSI.
    • Height is the second most important factor.
    Boxer Walking-Weight has no use in generating PSI, it can be used in boxing for physical strength in the ring.
     
  15. eltirado

    eltirado Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Except that Heavyweight Arm-Punchers are not free-falling objects! Apples & Oranges

    • Naoya Inoue at 108lbs clocks at 850 PSI
    • Dillian White at 300lbs clocks at 1000 PSI
    Weight is not a factor, but training boxers with weights-roids helps increase self-confidence, which helps make them "feel strong", so its still useful Placebo effect