Ortiz is a good boxer, or was at some stage. It's a good win for Wilder, like it would have been a good win for anyone else. Let it go.
Good fighter based on what? Become a PRO at 31 year old and his resume stinks, and its fill with bums, and 90% of them are unknown and 70% of them does not even have wiki page .... Yeah he was good build, as well as Wilder, to be some kind of a "boogeyman", just like Wilder was some kind of a "monster" and he was build so Wilder can say he fight only the best. I mean this sound ridiculous. He fought a 39 years old Ortiz for the first time, the second time around Ortiz was 40. No one is prime at that age. Not even close. But he has skills, no they both have big mouths that is it. But Ortiz goes quiet after all understand he ducked AJ, when by his word he was calling him out and say he would face Joshua anytime anywhere. Yeah we all see that. He have 2 KO loses in a 1 year time, and this guy is ranked number 4 at the WBC, and he was number 3, but the corrupted piece of ***** president placed Wilder as number 1. Thats tell you the whole story. I don`t see why should i overrate and give much credit just because he beat feather fisted less than average mechanic, oh i mean boxer - Jennings. Because this is the only notable thing he does at the HW. HW division right now have plenty of good names(not world class but good names) and both Wilder and Ortiz make everything in their power to avoid this names. And this is not a personal opinion, this is a fact!
Really? How does Ortiz make everything in his power to avoid good names exactly? He turned down the AJ fight because he was advised to wait for the Wilder rematch instead. That's it. Overall, he was avoided by other fighters more than he avoided. Just very recently a few weeks ago, a fight between Ruiz and Ortiz was discussed for the summer. And yet, despite Ortiz being a no good old fighter avoids everyone, the fight isn't happening because Ruiz wants a tune up fight in the summer instead. Funny, right? Ortiz is the old man who's no good but the guy who was the IBF/IBO/WBA/WBO HW champion of the world just 4 months ago needs a tune up fight against him. Both Ortiz and Joyce called out each other, but the fight did not happen because one of the fighter's trainer didn't want it. Hint: It wasn't Ortiz'. Dillian Whtye claims he made "offers" to Ortiz. And yet we never heard anything about these offers when they were ordered to face each other. But what we heard was that Ortiz called out Ortiz for the undercard of Wilder/Fury I, Whyte responded by calling him out for his card a few weeks later, which Ortiz accepted. But the fight didn't happen because Whyte opted for the Chisora rematch instead. There was nothing wrong with the Chisora rematch to be clear, but don't go around and challenge other fighters if you're follow through. Better question here is why are you so angry with such a minor praise.
Ortiz turned career paycheck, even more money compare to all his previous fight, and he ducked AJ, while before that saying that they was lowballing, when it was Ortiz highest payday ever. This is a fact, not an opinion. Whyte said in a interview that he was offered Ortiz fight, but money that was offered was less than a million. That was the Chisora case if i`m not wrong. Andy Ruiz wanted tune up fight, because he coming off a lose. Why don`t you tell me, what was the fight Ortiz made, after he lost to Wilder the first time around ? Travis Kauffman, Răzvan Cojanu and Hammer. Let me clear that for you i never ever heard the first two, and Hammer is a BUM, a fight you take, because he posses zero risk. And how in the blue hell WBC reinstalled him and allowed the second fight with Wilder ? Povetkin was ready to have fight with Ortiz, but Ortiz did not want that smoke, even way way way past it shot to s**** Povetkin. But people ducked him. Who are these people ? The truth is a no one. So much with the "boogeyman" everyone is scared of him. No one is scared of him and no one is taking him serious. 40 years, who`s best win is bang average mechanic - Jennings.
He turned down the AJ fight because he was told to wait for the Wilder rematch. I already acknowldeged that, not sure why you’re parroting it. Whyte and Ortiz challenged each other to face on the Matchroom card, so Whyte would’ve gotten paid the same as he got for the Chisora rematch. Fight didn’t happen because Whyte backtracked. Ruiz is coming off of loss, Ortiz is coming off of a loss, they could fight each other, yet one of them wants a tune up fight instead. A fight between him and Povetkin was never really on the table. Who are the people that ducked? Well, Ortiz ducked Joshua and was ducked by Whyte, Joyce and most recently by Ruiz. Yeah, his best win was bang average mechanic Jennings 5 years ago, Ruiz’ best win going into the first Joshua fight was Dimitrenko who got stopped by the same bang average mechanic Jennings and the last time Povetkin beat a top10 HW was 5 years ago when he beat Mike Perez who got his 0 snarched by the bang average mechanic Jennings. And if noone is taking Ortiz serious, how come the former IBF/IBO/WBA/WBO champion needs a tune up fight before facing him? It sounds to me like Andy Ruiz is taking him very serious.
I don`t know how many times i have to said that Ortiz himself said that if his match somehow failed he is ready to go and want to fight AJ. He get highest payday offer, not only that more many than he ever made, and he was saying AJ team lowballing him. After Hearn put the facts in there, they finally said that they fu***** up. Ortiz is just big mouth, like Wilder. He is talking and talking, but when he is offered the fight he go into a hole. He was in a hole after the situation with an AJ. This is not an opinion, this is a fact !!! You can talk all you want, the facts are, Ortiz is bang average and he has never ever beaten someone really skilled. He will be remember as grandpappy who lost to a guy who got just a right hand in his arsenal. For god sake Ortiz did not even have cardio to go full twelve rounds. You keep talking about Ruiz, but very political from you to skip all the facts that i mention, which fights Ortiz take in place after his loss to Wilder. So you ignorant to said that Ortiz took 3 s***** fights after his lost to Wilder, but now you are saying that Ruiz is ducking him. Ruiz is ducking Whyte and Povetkin as well, cause this fights was in the table for him as well. So by your logic he also ducked them. But in reality he ain`t ducking anyone. Ruiz is way more man, than Ortiz. Ortiz was offered the AJ fight and he goes to hiding, Ruiz took the match and become champion. Ortiz is looking for some payday and to retire, when Ruiz is looking to rebuild, can you get the difference between the two ? Ruiz was world champion, something Ortiz never was. End of the debate. And Jennings win over Perez was a joke, this was not a win, but a robbery. And Ruiz actually fight a living being in Parker, unlike Ortiz, and that fight was damn close and could go either way. I`m not following Joe Joyce, because is terrible, but when the f***** he actually ducked Ortiz ? Some facts maybe? Not just your biased opinion! Saying Povetkin fight was not on the table ever, yet talking bullc***** how Joe ducked Ortiz, when Joe probably never heard of the grandpappy. Whyte never ducked Ortiz, get that into your mind. "I offered to fight Ortiz years ago, but he didn’t want to know. He didn’t even want to know this summer and asked for silly money coming off his knockout loss to Wilder. “He made it clear that he wouldn’t be ready for July 28, which was the date we had available. Funnily enough it didn’t stop him fighting someone else that day. “Wilder wants me to jump through more hoops that he dictates before I can fight him, yet he fought journeyman Jason Gavern immediately before he fought for the world title.” It was pure corruption that the grandpappy get 2 matches with Wilder, yet way better fighter and the guy with way better resume in Whyte couldn`t not get his chance, after being number 1 for more than 2 years. They was trying to do all in their power to f***** him and make him fail. But karma my man.
Hes had his chance to prove himself though, twice. He should've been able to play with Wilder with his rep
He was outboxing Wilder X2, very widely the second time 'round. He just couldn't resist the X factor. Wilder has to get some credit for that. There's little doubt that Ortiz can box very well. Wilder's the only guy to beat him yet, and Fury's the only guy to beat Wilder, even after Wilder looked on the way to being outboxed on more than one occasion – you have to give a guy credit for pulling it out of the fire so many times.
Neither's had scintillating comp, that's true, but the poverty can be overstated a bit. Jennings handled himself well against Wlad, Ortiz schooled Jennings. Tony Thompson could handle himself, even the ageing version, Ortiz outclassed him and gave him a beating that sent him into retirement. I saw enough leading up to his bout with Wilder to conclude that Ortiz was a real live contender.
Those fights were years ago and literally the only impressive wins Ortiz has on his resume. Had Wilder fought him shortly after I'd have to give him major credit, but he didn't. He fought him years afterwards when it looked clear Ortiz had lost his ambition or skills or both. They weren't the worst wins in the world, but they were a lot less impressive than they could have been. I mean should Joshua get more credit for KOing Povetkin than Wlad got for outpointing him?
They were two years (less than, in the latter case) before Wilder fought him. Would've been even less, had Ortiz managed his meds/PEDS better. Ortiz was certainly ambitious and skilled enough in his performances vs. Wilder, though. Fighters tred water for a bit, have stale periods while they're waiting, then they get up for the big one, it happens. Outboxed him for the great majority of 17 rounds, got off the deck more than once, survived one scare to come back and hurt his man. He put in good shifts, both times. He just couldn't resist that eraser for 12. The Povetkin whom Joshua faced was a lot less fresh (in terms of ring age) than Ortiz, though. Ortiz hadn't weathered any real attrition. (FWIW, Wlad's performance against Povetkin was the worst winning performance of his career. But I get the point you're making.)
I said I already acknowledged that he should've taken the AJ fight, so again, why are you keep parroting it? I keep talking about Ruiz because you're asking who's avoiding Ortiz, Ruiz is an example.Yeah, he ducked Ortiz, he also ducked Whyte. And if Ortiz is looking for a payday to retire, than why would he turn down to challenge AJ to challenge Wilder for less money? If Ruiz is "way more man" than Ortiz, then he shouldn't need any tune up before facing him, he should be able to take care of him in his come back fight. And Jennings did beat Perez. 115-112 for Jennings was the correct scorecard. Really? Joyce never heard of "grandpappy"? Joyce calling out Ortiz: https://3kingsboxing.com/joyce-wants-ortiz/ Ortiz accepting the challenge: https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/boxi...joyce-fight-challenge-brit-first-loss-career/ And then Abel Sanchez (Joyce's trainer) refusing the fight, stating that "there's no way they'd fight Ortiz": https://www.boxingnews24.com/2019/02/abel-sanchez-rejected-luis-ortiz-for-joe-joyce/ After Whyte made that claim, Ortiz denied it. He responded by calling him out for the Wilder Fury undercard on December 1st, 2018. https://talksport.com/sport/boxing/430052/dillian-whyte-called-out-luis-ortiz-responds-instantly/ Then Whyte himself responded by telling him to come to UK for his card on December 22nd, which was accepted by Ortiz. https://talksport.com/sport/boxing/431392/ruthless-cuban-heavyweight-luis-ortiz-dillian-whye/ And then Whyte backtracked and went for the Chisora rematch instead. And again, there was nothing wrong with the Chisora rematch, but don't go around challenge other fighters if you're not gonna follow it up. Ortiz was a voluntary defence for Wilder, had nothing to do with the Whyte. It was Fury who was made mandatory over Whyte, not Ortiz.
