Difficult. By the book - Golovkin Strong moral case for a draw at least - Canelo And I say that as a Golovkin fan who hates the ginger one Canelo showed the aggressive intent GGG only spoke about at times, and that sticks in my claw
Prime against Prime GGG probably does time for murder against Canelo. He's tougher, and yes … a better Boxer.
Watch it again, and look out for who landed the cleaner punches, and who had better defense. Also, pro boxing is judged round by round. I personally gave Canelo the first four rounds and the last three. I have no issues anyone thinking Golovkin edged it. What I find ridiculous is people calling it a robbery.
His late 20s early 30s would be his physical prime. His career got off to a slow start as per Eastern European amateurs do, and he was then avoided like the plague thereafter for years until it became impossible, by which time most of the division stepped out the way instead of fight him - he was offering to fight people for free and still getting turned down. There's a couple of great and completely true anecdotes about him offering to fight ranking middleweights for no fight fee and them still acknowledging it was a potentially career ending contest. Physical prime Golovkin was a monster. Fighting him was suicide. This was open knowledge in Boxing.
GGG close but clear, there's really no margin for controversy here and I've reached my patience on the contrivance of any regarding this match-up having any other reasonable outcome. Nobody except Ginger's Snaps thinks otherwise.
The idea of this thread is not to start a new holly war. The idea is to look once more time this great fight of two great warriors, count every punch and to decide for yourself who has won. Some people say that result in boxing is subjective. Today it is so. But I think that in the future we can have records of fights with better resolution and from different angles, so that we will be able to see each punch, count it and give precise answer – who has won. It is like watching slow-motion replay. When you are watching it you can clear see who connected and who missed. I’m trying to do the same thing using scoring app and HD record with slow-motion modus. So I can say to myself that my decision is based not on the feeling but on mathematics.
Ggg 7-5... Brilliant fight.. Both showed how great they are..it was closer than fight one .... And was great watching them swap roles from the first fight.. From canelo boxing off the back foot the first time to becoming the aggressor. And Ggg going from come forward destroyer to boxing brilliantly off the back foot.
First off a poll in this forum is useless for the simple fact that their is a strong bias in favor of Golovkin to begin with. Secondly watching a fight as a judge would doesn't involve counting every punch. Judges don't count every punch. Judges view the fight and decide along the way viewing a round who's getting the upper hand. I personally for example will decide before a minute has gone by in a round which fighter has had the better minute. During the 2nd minute if the opponent turned the tide a bit and is having the better of it, during that 2nd minute I'll decide at what point during that time has fighter B done enough to come even with the work fighter A did in the first minute, if fighter B didn't quite do enough in the 2nd minute to come even with fighter A's 1st minute of work, then my mindset for the final minute will be fighter A is still ahead and I'll decide at the end of the round who won it. Obviously fighter B would have to be a little bit better than fighter A in the last minute to warrant giving him the round. That's just an example of how a judge would go about scoring a fight. I've always used that type of protocol and I've heard professional judges describe it similar to that in the way they score fights. Counting punches as you suggest is definitely not the way to score a professional boxing match for the simple reason that 1. Fighters often throw to many punches you cant possibly really know who's landing more. and 2. Along with the punches being landed you cant possibly jot down the intensity of the punches that are landing In pro boxing you have to be able to decipher not only who's landing more, but which punches are harder and crisper. Which are getting in cleaner and more direct at the target, and which are doing more damage and causing the opponent to debilitate. You cant weigh all these factors if you go about counting punches. When you judge a round you have to weight every factor thats going on in a fight. You have to let your brain decipher a guesstimate of the punchers thrown, landed, how and with what effectiveness are they landing, defense, ring generalship, etc...….. You don't sit there and count punches and not take all other factors into account. The only way to do this is to let your brain gather a guesstimate as the activities are taking place.
His late 20's and early 30's. 2009-2015 His entire career all the way through 2012 is beyond trash. His best win was Kassim Ouma who was coming into the fight 1. All but shot, 2. was a career Super Welterweight, and 3. Was outboxing Golovkin for good stretches. LOL Terrible. So at AGE 29, Golovkin was fighting very low caliber opposition, ridiculously low caliber for a world fighter. In 2012 when he made his U.S. debut he at least went from fighting Super welterweights, club fighters, and shot fighters to regional level fighters, and C and low B level fighters. In 2012 is when the HBO hype machine got behind him and started selling him in every way imaginable. From the second coming of Mike Tyson, to Mexican Style, to breaking Hopkins' record, to being the most feared and avoided fighter and more... Many people bought into it. I kind of did too.... But all that was not reality, it was pure hype. He fights nothing like Tyson, his fights aren't as exciting, and he never created the buzz Tyson did. His MX style was fake. Because when a real MX accepted his Mexican Style Challenge he pussied out. He was never close to breaking Hopkins' record, because he was not the true WBA champion until he beat Daniel Geale which was about 10 fights after they started counting his defenses of the Interim/World title. The same version Canelo rightfully doesn't get credit for at SMW. And finally he was not the most avoided fighter. If anything only one fighter truly didn't have a reason to avoid him, and even then its a bit debatable, and that was Felix Sturm, who was by that time nothing special, if he even ever was. The truth is that between 2012-2018 many fighters called his bluff. When HBO started hyping him as an avoided fighter, and when GGG would repeatedly say he would fight anyone between 154-168 many fighter came out and accepted his challenge. GGG didn't want none of it.
George Foreman, Roberto Duran, Mike Tyson, Julio Cesar Chavez, Ray Leonard opinion, Abel Sanchez > Intentionalbutt opinion
One question IsaL ?? Please try to give a legitimate answer . Why did Ginger one refuse to fight GGG in defence of his bogus WBC belt. After all he called himself the WBC Middleweight Champ plus he claimed the linial title too . The MW limit is 160 but if Ginger wanted to come in at 155 that was his choice GGG should be allowed top come in at 160. That would satisfy anyone regarding the rules wouldnt it?? Instead the cowardly Ginger meekly handed back the WBC belt rather than have the balls to defend it. Even his own countrymen the great Mexican fans,disowned him & named him El Pollo Rojo A red headed CHICKEN !!! ROFL Now c'mon IsaL give us a legitimate excuse for Ginger's cowardice Dont hide c'mon speak up!! There isnt one is there You know as well as I do Ginger has NEVER been capable of legitimately beating GGG. C'mon we are all waiting
